Never let it be said that the men of the MGTOW movement don’t focus on the important issues of our time. For example, over on MGTOWforums, a fellow named Andrew brought up a critical danger faced by today’s men, a danger that the mainstream media is too cowardly to address.
I refer, of course, to the rising danger that an innocent, decent, hard-working, good-looking fellow like Andrew might be forced into a relationship with some ugly fat lady.
You scoff — I can sense your scoffing through the internet — but as Andrew points out, it VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN, by which I mean, no it couldn’t possibly happen, but the MGTOWers do love to get worked up about things, and who am I to rain on their little anger parade?
Here’s Andrew, from the thread “Ugly women forced upon us?? Dangerous precedent for men setting itself up.”
You can’t argue with that!
Seriously, arguing with Andrew would be a bit like debating an angry baby.
EDITED TO ADD: The picture at the top of the post is from a series done by the blogger The Militant Baker in response to statements from the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch suggesting that its clothes were only for “cool, good-looking people” — a designation that evidently doesn’t include larger women, since the chain doesn’t offer XL and XXL sizes for women, just men. For more pics, and her open letter to the company, see here.
@Maude, rutile – Detached has posted here a couple of times over the last week, but it’s not easy to tell if zie’s a low-level troll or here in good faith but just not putting much thought into zir choice of words. That’s why I went for that “chubby chaser” thing: it wasn’t at all clear that zie was sniping at the term, and the idea. It read to me as if zie was just using it unironically in laughing at the OP.
@auggz – Asher’s comment was of the laughably stupid variety.
Hello, dipshit.
“The evidence is pretty clear that men are evolutionarily primed to be sexually attracted to youthful fertility signals in women and rolls of fat are not one of those signals.”
Evolutionary primed? During Hunter-gatherer times being too thin was a liability. People couldn’t eat whenever they wanted. See, (and if you actually knew a woman who wasn’t pixilated, you might know this) a woman who becomes too thin and looses essential fat ceases to menstrate. What “evidence” were you talking about, anyway?
“Not only does the evidence suggest this, but so does the very logic of evolutionary theory…”
Err, citation from an actual scientific source might be nice. Your porn collection doesn’t count, bro.
“Men aren’t going to be *forced* to marry chubby women…”
You’re acting like anyone here wants to force others into marriage. Why?
“… they’re going to sit around and give the middle finger to civilization. Buh-bye welfare state.”
OK, you’re also into classism. Awesome. Now, could you submit an image of yourself so we can determine if you’re fit enough to breed? Runway models aren’t just giving their eggs away to anyone, you know.
Dipshit boy’s head would explode if anyone showed him a picture of the Venus of Willendorf or any of the other Palaeolithic female statuettes.
Could you dump the term “chubby chasers” here, please? It’s extremely sexist and in a thread that’s all about the disgusting fat-shaming habits of these creeps, it seems a very strange thing to say. It’s not encouraging me to think you’re here in good faith, either.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I meant “chubby chaser” in a more friendly context, drawing parallels to homophobes who are just hating gays to cover up their own sexuality, I was hoping that was clear. Also, I don’t see how it’s really that sexist or even just generally offensive. “Chubby” isn’t even much of an insult at least where I live, and a common way to describe people.
Detached:
1. Learn to quote. Or at least use quotation marks.
2. Several people have explained in detail why “chubby chaser” is both sexist and offensive in this very thread.
3. You’re not going to last very long around here if, when someone has a problem with what you say, you always respond “Geez, why are you being so sensitive?”
Ditto, katz.
Detached – there isn’t a “friendly context” for the term.
“3. You’re not going to last very long around here if, when someone has a problem with what you say, you always respond “Geez, why are you being so sensitive?””
Honestly, I’m just taken aback every time it turns out that I offended someone. I just came here chuckle at MRAs and really reflect how far I’ve grown since I left them and their toxic ideas. Maybe I’m too used to the people I hang around with now, because I can just joke around and be a little crass, even with women. But all I know, is that I’m apparently, I’m unintentionally offensive.
@Detached
Yeah, that’s life. Sometimes we step on other people’s toes without meaning to. The proper response is not to keep stepping on their toes and wondering why that hurts them, but to apologize and try not to do it again.
We’ve probably all managed to say something offensive here, unintentionally – the thing is not to double down. Even if you want to explain yourself, there’s a big difference between “Whoa, whoa, whoa. I meant “chubby chaser” in a more friendly context, drawing parallels to homophobes who are just hating gays to cover up their own sexuality, I was hoping that was clear. Also, I don’t see how it’s really that sexist or even just generally offensive. “Chubby” isn’t even much of an insult at least where I live, and a common way to describe people” and a simple “I’m sorry, I didn’t realise the term was offensive – I won’t do it again!” As it is, it comes across like you didn’t take in much of what was said in response, particularly in Karalora’s comment.
Detached: we barely know you, why would you think you could joke with strangers like you do with friends?
Are you still having trouble with thinking of women as people?
Yeah, I side-eyed that sentence too.
Well, I’ll put more effort into what I say then.
As for what people have been saying, well, I understand. I actually don’t like it when people act like I don’t eat because I’m a little thin, even though that’s how I’m built, so I can understand how a bigger person may feel when someone says, “Go eat less”.
However, because I’ve seen this happen to both thin and thick people, I’ve always assumed that it was typical joking and/or legit concern. Or maybe just ignorance of how the human body works, could be all three. People can be pretty quick to judge, after all.
“Are you still having trouble with thinking of women as people?”
Honestly? I’d say I do a little. However, the more I chat with women, that becomes less of an issue. I’ve very recently stopped being fearful of false rape allegations.
Quick question: why do you have trouble thinking of women as people? I’m not snarking, I’m curious. Is it because we’re “not like men” or something? Because that never made sense to me: it’s like saying all men and all women are like each other, when that obviously isn’t so.
Because that was such a problem for you?
ALL the side-eye to that.
(If you don’t mind answering, that is.)
hellkell — glad to know I’m not the only one side-eying that false rape accusations shit. Only person I ever personally knew with that concern was rapist ex #2. Hmm, wonder what that fear was about eh?
People who obtain consent, and continue to ensure things are consensual, do not have this fear.
Detached, it’s good that you’re breaking away from the MRA mindset, and I appreciate your honesty, but just be aware that you’re not going to get a cookie for things like no longer being afraid of false rape accusations, because you’re just returning to the baseline of decent human behavior.
Yeah, people who are sure they’ll never rape anyone generally aren’t too concerned about accusations.
Women do not just cry rape after chatting with a dude. Detached has to know this, right? Or am I having too much faith tonight?
I have no issue answering. In the past, for me, it was because I wanted a girlfriend as a little boy. Not because I liked the girl, but because I thought it would mean I could be popular and stop the teasing I got. I wanted to prove all those bullies that I wasn’t ugly or gay. Needless to say, I was a dumb kid. But I guess I saw women as a prize to be won for a very long time and actually, I was growing out of that mentality in high school. Even got a short term girlfriend that I liked and could click with. But it ended and I got really blue and hung out online a lot. Later, I read about how women could put you to jail if they lied about rape or how women could make you pay for a kid that isn’t even yours (funny how I read that crap, yet wasn’t even having sex) and it was then hard to see women as anything other can someone who could fuck your life up, but you wanted to be in bed with them.
It shames me to spill out like this, but yea, what was an innocent, childish desire became a demeaning, paranoid attitude that has made me miss out on relationships.
@hellkell
Actually, I laughed at this comment. It’s painfully true.
lol, I know this. Paranoia is one hell of a drug.
@katz
I only want cookies if I bake them. haha
Thanks for answering, Detached. I did wonder if you’d picked up the “false rape” stuff from MRAs or their ilk, because they seem fixated on it, even more than the general attitude in our societies of not believing rape victims (whatever their sex), and from a point of never having had a serious relationship.
“Yeah, people who are sure they’ll never rape anyone generally aren’t too concerned about accusations.”
I would be concerned if I was hanging out with unstable people who might do something damaging or harmful to me (whether it be making up stories or actually doing me physical harm). But in my everyday life, I don’t encounter people like this. Though it should be pointed out, there will people who may *seem* not too out of whack at first glance, but when you get to know them better, you find out something isn’t right there. So the rule of thumb would be, don’t get into an intimate or vulnerable position with someone until you are fairly certain that they’re stable. Wise words for everyone, male or female.