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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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Kittehserf
11 years ago

Woemn–that’s women who are crying currently, right?

Last sighting was cloudiah in aisle five of the yarn store.

@neuroticbeagle – yup, the furry overlords wrote the book on world domination.

Aruba
11 years ago

Fedora, I want valid examples. Not just “straight white men are treated as less than human”. Please answer why. I really want to know.

Aruba
11 years ago

I mean, answer how.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

It’d be more productive to go back to ignoring Motheaten Headwear. He’s admitted he’s trolling for its own sake and he’s more boring than watching cement* dry.

And good lord, tonight it’s me sitting up way late (after midnight here) and it’s bright morning in the States! So after a night of telly and knitting I think it’s really time for me to go to bed. Niters!

*it’s a hell of a lot thicker than paint

kiki
kiki
11 years ago

YOU ARE PROJECTING.

‘Projecting’ (even in caps) doesn’t do it justice. On a clear day you could read his hang-ups off the surface of the fucking sun.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

“Unfortunately because you have taken the feminist toxin you cannot consider that men have the same internal lives as women. We are all supposed to be a bit less human I suppose.

Actually men hurt too.”

Actually, it just sounds like you’e bucking for minority status. Feminists have a saying that patriarchy hurts men too. So, I guess you agree with feminists, yes?

Amnesia
Amnesia
11 years ago

The underlying truth that comes from this thread is that women cannot understand what happens withing all male groups. It is not their fault particularly but it is so.

Right, right. I mean, it’s not like guys ever talk about what happens in their lives to womenfolk, or post in public forums where everybody can read what’s going on, or hang out in public areas where anybody can hear them if they really care to, or create media based on their own perceptions of said groups that dominate the airwaves. Nope, guys are a totally mysterious entity, shrouded in mystery, the likes of which our frail lady-brains could not possibly fathom.
/sarcasm

Clyde
Clyde
11 years ago

Also, as a white woman with an education and a job, I’m pretty privileged too. Doesn’t make me subhuman – just means I’m privileged compared to a lot of other people in this world, and I recognize that.

I didn’t say “being privileged”, (whatever that means in today’s arbitrary feminist climate) made you subhuman. Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists… for some reason those two traits have become paramount, not wealth or religion or whatever else. I have a few theories why feminists consider specifically white men subhuman, but that’s a comment for another day.

Aruba
11 years ago

Clyde, you’re here! I’d appreciate if you’d answer my question.

Aruba
11 years ago

Damn, I have to leave now. I hope I’ll be getting some answers when I come back.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Two lying trolls active at the same time in the same thread. Good morning Man Boobz! (Or afternoon, or evening, or whatever.)

We got our article submitted! We = three humans (i.e. women), and one subhuman white man that we used as a drone. XD

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Actually men hurt too.

Actually, I’m fairly certain no one here has suggested that they don’t.

Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists… for some reason those two traits have become paramount, not wealth or religion or whatever else.

Citations needed. Since, as you say, it’s apparent, it should be easy to find examples of feminists specifically talking about how subhuman white men are, right? Put up or shut up. Vaguely alluding to “theories” you have is not proof of anything.

Amnesia
Amnesia
11 years ago

(whatever that means in today’s arbitrary feminist climate)

*insert joke about feminism causing global warming*

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Healthy women realize this and are curious to a degree but feminists are threatened by it because these groups are outside of their control.

Nice ableism thrown in there too, implying that women who are feminists are “unhealthy”.

Calling women you don’t like “crazy bitches”. Well gee, guess I’m stumped. No one’s ever done THAT before (lots of people have done it before).

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

“Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists…”

And your citation for that is…?

“…for some reason those two traits have become paramount, not wealth or religion or whatever else. I have a few theories why feminists consider specifically white men…”

Do tell! What are your theories? List them or something.

Also, this is very lazy/cowardly of you:

“…but that’s a comment for another day.”

Why wait another day, you’re here now. Why not just get it over with and and regal us with your theories.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Rats, regale not regal.

Howard Bannister
Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Prediction: neither Clyde nor Black-hat will ever deal with my post, except to lie about what I said. They are unable to deal with anything remotely real.

Expect lies, lies, and more lies.

Lord-a-lies-be-damned, they’re boring.

Howard Bannister
Howard Bannister
11 years ago

(not that I was the only one posting real things to their skewed unreality, just as an example)

Amnesia
Amnesia
11 years ago

Good morning, cloudiah! (It is morning here, as a matter of fact)
Congrats on the article! I am not working on anything publish-worthy at the moment, just unpacking my stuff and making my new place suitable for when my furry feline overlord arrives.

GreySky
GreySky
11 years ago

Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists

Like others here I’m mystified as to what your argument for that claim would be.

And please remember, you and the other troll do not represent white men collectively. (Is anyone else tempted to start quoting White Man’s Burden?) And I don’t even think *you’re* subhuman. I just think you’re a twit. A whiny, entitled twit.

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

“…but that’s a comment for another day.”

Must be too constipated to share anymore theories at the moment. Might I recommend a diet of more fiber and more thinking?

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
11 years ago

white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists…

Given my venerable but not terribly dignified age, perhaps I don’t count as a modern feminist. It’d be handy to know what my generation of feminists is supposed to have thought of men – more, or less, human than these modern newcomers to this world of thought?

I’d sort of thought that third wave feminists regarded us old second wave types as a bit rough around the edges – does that mean we did or we didn’t have these newfangled men-are-subhuman attitudes? It would be good to know.

Well, it wouldn’t be *good* to know any more than we already do about the workings of Clyde’s overtaxed thinking gizmo, but we’re always up for a laugh or a derail about sloths or kitties.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

Sadly Aruba, I don’t think we’ll be getting any specifics.

That’s how you can tell that MRAs are a real filosofikal movement. When feminists note how women are oppressed, they give specific examples, but MRAs just traffic in pure Ideals of Oppression and Misandry and Scented Fucking Candles.

Aruba
11 years ago

Trolls elude difficult questions way to often. They are so full of shit.

Aruba
11 years ago

*too often

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