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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

From now on, I won’t be able to think of Marmot Rights when I see MRM.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I’M SUPPOSED TO BE PROOFREADING. STOP MAKING ME LAUGH!!!!!

cloudiah
11 years ago

I MEAN SERIOUSLY, I AM TRYING TO GET OUR CITATIONS INTO PROPER ANTI-MARMOT APA FORMAT, AND YOU ARE ALL NOT HELPING.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

If that marmot leads, I’m becoming an MRA.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

mar·mot (märmt)
n.
Any of various stocky, coarse-furred, burrowing rodents of the genus Marmota, having short legs and ears and short bushy tails and found throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

ac·tiv·ist (kt-vst)
n.
A proponent or practitioner of activism: political activists.
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or engaged in activism.
2. Of, relating to, or being an activist.

Marmots’ Rights Activist
n.
Any marmot (1) who contradicts the meaning of activist (2) by sitting on rocks, hissing loudly but remaining otherwise inactive.

cloudiah
11 years ago

That definition is perfect, Kittehs. I am DONE proofreading, and calling it a night. Good night, all!

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

I also found a misandrist marmot, sitting on her ass eating bon bons.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
11 years ago

What are these people actually fighting about? Can someone explain? It seems like a bunch of nothing to me. Who are Stardust and Barbarossa and what do they have to do with anything?

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
11 years ago

Also, these marmots are so damn cute. Long live the marmiarchy.

katz
11 years ago

Here is a misandrist marmot eating lupins on Mt. Rainier.

While I was finding that picture I also found this misandrist ground squirrel sitting and crying until a MAN gives her food.

katz
11 years ago

Kitteh, did you make that just now or was there actually a picture of King Arthur with a marmot somewhere on the internet?

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

I’m fascinated by Elam saying there’s no misogyny on avfm because of his tightly controlled message.

Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

One thing I’ve been kind of curious about was the divide between the popularity of Yaoi and the perception of actual gay/bi men. I’m not sure if that’s just a few cases of cognitive dissonance, or if that gulf is more widespread.

Well, if the very same individuals enjoy Yaoi while having a problem with dating real bisexual men, it might be explained along the same lines as why so many men like to fantasize about bi women but have a problem with the real thing (at least when they’re forced to realize that actual bi women are different from the porn fantasy) – the fantasy is sort of about how people of the opposite gender are being homo AT them, but in real life they’re threatened by the idea of their partner realizing zie PREFERS zir own gender.

BUT I’d hazard a guess that the women freaking out over bi men are usually not the same ones as those drooling over Yaoi. I mean, there are seven billion people on the planet, meaning Yaoi could have a huge audience world-wide while simultaneously being enjoyed by a really small percentage of all women.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

katz, that misandrist ground squirrel is the cutest!

I made the pic of Clyde the Repressed just now. Took more time to find a coupla pics than it did to throw it together.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I lied about going to sleep (WILL PROOFREADING EVER BE DONE?) and have to say that King Arthur marmot kind of made my day. Which is over. Because I am really going to sleep now.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Also I have a cat sleeping on my foot, so I is trapped.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

You will just have to sleep at your desk, because moving would inconvenience the cat. Which is not acceptable according to Rule 395 (a), subsection 13, paragraph 8 of the Manual for Cats’ Servants.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
11 years ago

It’s too bad WBB is leaving AVFM. Now she’s just another callous, snickering Internet bully with a hate-on for feminism. ‘Twas a match made in heaven, that was.

I can’t say I’m surprised, though, as I did see her criticizing a petition to rename Vancouver as “Mancouver” on the AVFM site. (Yes, you read that previous sentence correctly.) Deep Rifts: being a deluded asshole, but not enough of a deluded asshole to support THAT.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

Yes! There are two MRAs in Vancouver (Mr. Otter and the ex-car dealership guy), we should rename it Mancouver in their honour (wait… maybe they meant Vancouver, Washington state? I bet there’s a larger MRA ratio there!).
I’ve been trying to womansplain men in Mancouver what an MRA is… And they don’t understand yet. They just can’t wrap their head around the cognitive dissonance. I’m trying to put together a ‘best of’ to illustrate it properly.
To put this in perspective, I did see a petition a while ago to rename the city ‘Vangroovy’.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

(Plus, they would soil a man’s name by altering it! Oh, right, they’ve never heard of George Vancouver, who fled England to escape King George III’s misandry.)

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

I’m from Vancouver. I’m really, really sorry. For Mr. Otter and Bryan Adams. I’m so ashamed.

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

@marinerachel
It’s ok; it doesn’t really matter where you are physically from, you’re part of the hivemind now (and servant to the Furrinati, but that goes without saying).

kiki
kiki
11 years ago

Only tangentially related to reality, but in today’s feminist climate…

FTFY

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