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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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katz
11 years ago

Comment “Rebecca Watson of the MRM” nails it

A woman who had the affront to be too loud with her opinions and is now being vilified and driven out of a movement for not agreeing with men enough, and who will subsequently be blamed for everything as a pointless conflict gets drawn out and blown out of proportion?

That does nail it.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

I think the Dark Lord said before he’d have to do a blog about the whole WoollyBumbleBee saga. GWW adding her two penn’orth of stupidity just makes it all the more fun.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

Of course, by “between teh menz”, I should have said “against a mouthy woman”.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Our Paul, who art in Houston,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done. On earth,
As it is in Houston.
Give us this day our daily hatred of women,.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
(Actually, we don’t do that.)
(Don’t ever forgive a trespass, or even a minor disagreement.)
(And if a WOMAN disagrees, oh Paul, let hellfire rain upon her.)
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from feminazis.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
All for men.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Plus of course they might go on about how these ebil wimmen* are snarking at each other, now GWW has had to join in.

*even though they’re feMRAs, they’re only in that treehouse on suffrance.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Pauly should be pleased, really. He’s sure to get another rageboner out of this. Hope he’s got tissues handy to clean up all the flying spittle from his screen while he smashes out his latest rants.

(I said spittle and I ain’t goin’ anywhere else with that!)

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

Whoa, gww will give her first born to a pedophile if wbb spent more than 10 min. on the Spearhead without bursting into a frothing rage!
Scandal!

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

Very much looking forward to it, David!

cloudiah
11 years ago

Sorry, that comment was in reference to “Paul made his will known” and GWW’s worshipfulness.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

I’m curious how MRA dudes will take this. I predict a “you see? that’s what we get for accepting womyn in our manly men human rights movement!”
Gww has this interesting tone, where she seems to assume that when misogynists refer to “women”, she is somehow excluded from that group.
It’s like magic!

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

“If we’re going to say all women are X, then we’re no better than feminists”

Apparently she lives the strawfeminism life. I know no feminists in who say “all men are X”.* This is such a silly/stupid strawman. How can people like this exist?

*Yes I know that radical people say radical things like “all X are Y”. They do not represent the majority.

katz
11 years ago

The Rebecca Watson comparision doesn’t completely work, in that WBB is pretty much an idiot, even though her criticisms of Elam are certianly justified.

Right, but she’s not being thrown out for being an idiot.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

I can only imagine now the fun that David will have with this. “MRM activist realizes that the MRM is really just a bunch of assholes”

cloudiah
11 years ago

I just finished watching, and … wow. Have we mirrored that video anywhere?

Clyde
Clyde
11 years ago

If you start with the premise that you are oppressed for being white and male, then your fact skewage is so great that you an equal relationship will appear incredibly unfair to you. Clarification: saying that you are systematically advantaged does not mean that people hate you for being white and male. Get over it and enjoy.

Not necessarily, I suppose, but this is not feminism in reality. I would ask men to seriously consider, if they want to enter into an intimate heterosexual relationship with someone who considers them subhuman privileged/oppressors. It’s not emotionally healthy. Consciousness raising is the first step.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I don’t actually know how to mirror things (though I bet I could figure it out if I weren’t still proofreading like a mofo) so that “we” was entirely hypothetical. XD

cloudiah
11 years ago

Shut up, Clyde, we’re talking about something important here.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

Hey clyde: zark off. Your amusing substupidity is not longer the topic. Go oppress a marmot or something.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Oy, what have marmots done to deserve Clyde’s company?

You want to be careful saying things like that. The Furrinati are listening everywhere.

::adjusts tinfoil beret::

cloudiah
11 years ago

MrFancyPants, are you trying to call down the wrath of MRAs (Marmot Rights Activists) on us?

katz
11 years ago

It’s amusing to me that he can’t comprehend a difference between being given an advantage and actively working to take and keep advantages for yourself.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

cloudiah: WHAT ABOUT TEH MARMOTZ?!

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

Also, too, cloudiah, “Marmot Rights Activists” had me well and truly laughing, so thanks 🙂

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