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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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Kittehserf
11 years ago

Niki M Quirkypants – welcome, and does your avatar badge say “Knitting keeps me from killing everyone”? The top word’s partly blotted out.

*relatively new knitter here*

🙂

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

In Clyde’s world, non-whites totally deal with racism based on sexuality, everyone! He knows, he’s seen enough real hidden camera sexy videos that had the hawt sexy mama have the secks with the black studs while her white beta provider was away at the coal mine as his loophole to escape mandatory conscription to fight wars so his wife can buy purses and scented candles. It’s true!

Now that Clyde made me see what’s *really* going on, I think I should get out of the hive mind for a second (sweet, sweeeeet hivemind). I just thought manboobzers should know that by responding to Clyde’s factual facts, you are using your womanly feminist entitlement to silence men!

Please think of the consequences. Men have fought hard to gain freedom of speech, and now you have silenced them because they want the secks and they adjust their behaviour to impress us. Result: censorship!

*takes a blue pill, IV the hivemind tube back*

Gaw.

Niki M. Quirkypants
11 years ago

welcome, and does your avatar badge say “Knitting keeps me from killing everyone”? The top word’s partly blotted out.

Bingo and some days it’s so true.

Niki M. Quirkypants
11 years ago

Someone may also want to clue in Clyde that since misogyny and homophobia are each other’s evil cousins, a lot of gay men are also feminists.

auguries8
11 years ago

Reblogged this on auguries14.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

I need to get a badge like that for when I’m knitting on the train … it’d be a great way to get room for those long needles.

Radical Parrot
11 years ago

Well, obviously homophobia is the fault of those pesky straight females, who obviously loathe any sign of weakness in a man, and being gay obviously means being weak. When a friend’s horribly racist and homophobic boyfriend recently said he would seriously harm any gay man he met (hot lesbians are all right) for the disgusting crime of being gay, he obviously meant that in a playful and jesting manner. True, there were no gay men present at the moment, but his obviously playful words were obviously radiated through the ether to all gay men everywhere, obviously resulting in affective male bonding everywhere.

Obviously. And that’s real.

Also, this is stupid.

Clyde
Clyde
11 years ago

And, because I just can’t look away, Clyde, you say that it’s especially hard for white men to date women. Why do you think that non-white men have an easier time?

Speaking very generally, of course. The new paradigm in feminism generally mandates that non-white men receive a bit more leeway from feminists. White men, on the other hand, are considered less than fully human. I can’t imagine being in a relationship with someone who considers you subhuman.

Kim
Kim
11 years ago

The irony. It burns!

pollydactyl
pollydactyl
11 years ago

You think you get treated as less than fully human because you don’t get everything you want? That is an astounding amount of entitlement right there.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Clyde: exactly what fucking planet are you on where white dudes are subhuman. Please shut up before you look even dumber.

Aruba
Aruba
11 years ago

Clyde, how has anybody treated you like less than human? What did they do to you? I’m curious

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Aruba: they did not cater to his boner 24/7, giving him a sad and making him feel less than.

Aruba
Aruba
11 years ago

Ha!

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

Seconding Aruba. I’d be fascinated to hear in which ways women have treated Clyde as “subhuman”. And additionally, in which ways non-white men are given more leeway than white men?

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

I heard there’s a village in the Yunnan province in China that’s kind of like that. Men are considered adults at 40 years old or something, much later than women.
Maybe Clyde is from there?

You can be in a relationship where *no one is considered inferior.* Seriously, it’s awesome. And it exists, possibly even in heterosexual monogamous relationships involving a feminist.

If you think that white men are the most oppressed in society though, you might have a hard time finding a woman you don’t consider inferior by virtue of being a woman. You see, under a model assuming white men’s systematic oppression, you must consider white men to be highly superior to everyone else. If we are to keep the axis merely on a male/female binary model (because your race model would make your argument even worse), you must conclude that men get 84% of positions of power in the United States despite this handicap (top political and executive positions). In other words, if things were “equal,” women would represent much less than 16%, and Congress would have way more than 83.22% whites/caucasians. Anyway you look at it, you have to assume that white men are incredibly superior (unless you have a non-racist/sexist explanation for this oddity).

If you start with the premise that you are oppressed for being white and male, then your fact skewage is so great that you an equal relationship will appear incredibly unfair to you. Clarification: saying that you are systematically advantaged does not mean that people hate you for being white and male. Get over it and enjoy.

WeeBoy
11 years ago

Yes, because straight girls bullied me relentlessly in high school, and straight women shout fa-ggot at me when I hold hands with my boyfriend in town.

Except it actually wasn’t.

katz
11 years ago

it’s very difficult for men- especially white men- to engage in a heterosexual relationship without accepting emotional abuse and demeaning behavior from a misandrist partner who sees them as less than fully human

So much so that white men had to develop the idea of humor just to get laid!

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

Haha, I think that’s one of my favourite Pierre so far

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

I want Clyde to tell me how misandrist I am for not being married to a white dude. Am I just giving him “leeway” because of it, or is all cool because Mr. HK is Asian? I’m just trying to figure out Clyde’s racism.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

Why didn’t anyone tell me that I was supposed to be having a hard time being a straight white guy? It’s ridiculously easy to date, especially if you use that crazily effective pickup-line that starts “Hi, my name is _____.” The ladies absolutely SWOON for that, Clyde! You should give it a try.

Post-swooning, in the “relationship” part of the relationship there’s another secret trick that you can pass on to your MRA buddies for a healthy and fulfilling connection: don’t be an asshole. You know, have some basic human decency and respect, and stuff. You guys would be surprised how far you can go with that.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

So much so that white men had to develop the idea of humor just to get laid!

I’m very skeptical of this theory. Many of the trolls here are frickin’ hilarious white men and yet they’re all on the “no, not even for the survival of the species” list for me.

Meh
Meh
11 years ago

So I feel like I’ve seen guys complain pretty often that women “won’t let them be men” or whatever – now women are forcing them to be uber-masculine?

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Speaking very generally, of course. The new paradigm in feminism generally mandates that non-white men receive a bit more leeway from feminists. White men, on the other hand, are considered less than fully human. I can’t imagine being in a relationship with someone who considers you subhuman.

‘Fess up, Clyde, you’re a poe, aren’t you?

Or have you just confused being told, “Clyde, you are submoronic” with “all white men are subhuman!”

How do you explain loving relationships in your strange and nasty little world? Is this another of those “I’ve never experienced one, I have no love in me, therefore neither does anyone else” situations?

On the OP: sounds to me like this guy (if he isn’t trolling) is desperate for approval from these douchebags.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Love the new Pierre, katz!