So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”
Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:
They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?
Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.
I’m not eating bon bons (had a wisdom tooth yanked out yesterday), but I am shopping for a Father’s Day present. Does it count as misandry if it’s a gift for a man?
This is what I’m ordering him: http://www.hotwiretees.com/Full-Metal-Jacket-Movie-Sgt-Hartman-Warhol-T-Shirt.html
As a retired Marine, the first half of Full Metal jacket makes him giggle like a fool. Of course, it took him a LONG time to watch any of those movies, PTSD is a hell of a thing. Plus, he’s into art, so the Warhol will not be lost on him.
Hmm … well, it’s a manly man tee, ‘cos soldiers and war movies that are totes real, but isn’t art kinda girly? (Except when it’s being pushed as something All teh Menz take credit for, of course. Just don’t ask any MRA to actually look at the stuff.)
@pecunium
I know! Good make up is really expensive. I can never tell if we’re supposed to wear it, too look prettier for men, or not, because it’s decieving men. I always try to convince men I have naturally purple and silver eyelids, don’tchaknow?
Also, I’ll confess that right now I’m not really working (my temporary job ended, and now I need to find a new one) but it’s still not sitting around manboobzing all day, just drawing, housework, trying to finally get my danged learners permit, trying to find a new job, ect.
@kittehs
Five hour commute? 🙁
…That is so wierd.
@cloudiah
Adding to the many, many people who have seen homeless women, I have.
I know I should be ignoring Fedora, but…
Dang guys, where’s my huge house! Here I am, being a feminist, but I’m just living with my mom in a two room apartment*
*which is totally comfy, I love apartments. But apparently as a feminist it is my duty to have a huge house. I haven’t even managed to con any men out of their houses yet!**
**Sarcasm, because I know trolly boy won’t be able to tell.
Shorter fedora: “I reject your reality and substitute my own!”
@cloudiah
The hivemind will be very proud if you manage to crash the economy single handedly 😀
“I have naturally purple and silver eyelids, don’tchaknow”
That’s the most annoying part, not only are you expected to spend time and money to look pretty, you are also supposed to pretend it’s natural. Like those hair removal commercials, where the women looks the same before and after ‘removing’.
My guess is that a lot of women become homeless because of DV and sexual abuse.
I just got out of the homeless shelter a few weeks ago, you shitstain. All I had to do to see a homeless woman was look in a mirror.
@dsfrogs
Agreed. Personally, I only put on make up if it’s obviously not natural, cuz I don’t see the point of pretending (not that there’s a problem with it, despite what mras think, just too much effort without much obvious results.) The only time I used the foundation thing was when I was a (younger) teenager, to cover up zits.
@Amnesia, I hope the mocking we were doing of Hatty’s asshat views about homeless women didn’t cross the line into making light of the reality of homelessness for women. If so, I apologize. 🙁
So, Nepenthe very kindly brought actual data to the table with studies, y’know, non-ass-data.
BlackHate ignored that pointedly. (BlackHate was a typo for BlackHat, and it is staying)
He continues to blather that women aren’t homeless and all have big houses.
Ummm….
Yes, men are more likely to be homeless than women.
From http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/who.html
Catch that? More than one-third of the US homeless population is women.
MORE THAN ONE-THIRD.
Sir, you are a fucking liar. Your rebuttal?
Yabbut, Andy Warhol was shot by Zombie Solanis, so he’s and MRA hero. I think.
Pepperpot #1: I can’t tell the difference between Whizzo butter and this dead crab.
Interviewer: Yes, we find that 9 out of 10 British housewives can’t tell the difference between Whizzo Butter and a dead crab.
Various Pepperpots: It’s true… We can’t… No.
Pepperpot #2: Here. Here! You’re on television, aren’t you?
Interviewer: [humbly] Yes, yes…
Pepperpot #2: He does the thing with one of those silly women who can’t tell Whizzo Butter [points with handbag at the butter] from a dead crab [points with handbag at the dead crab].
Various Pepperpots: Yeah, yeah.
Pepperpot #3: You try that around here, young man, and we’ll slit your face.
Pepperpot #4: [quietly] Yeah, with a razor.
-Monty Python’s Flying Circus
@Marie: Seconding! I have no make-up or panda paint, nothing in between.
It seems to me that lots of women who do the natural make-up thing (obviously I’m not gonna say all, since we’re all different and that, but quite a lot) become pretty anxious about it. Like, it’s embarrassing to be seen without make-up when you normally have “natural make-up” on. I even knew girls in my teens who’d sleep very fitfully when they slept at their boyfriend’s place, woke up really early and then rushed to the bathroom to put on their natural make-up before boyfriend woke up… Must be really stressful.
The idea that it’s wrong to be ugly (according to a beauty standard that pretty much nobody can live up to) but it’s also wrong to be vain and actually spend time on your looks really is hurtful to women.
So me not dating and not seeing myself ever getting married actually means I’m kindly not taking advantage of men? That’s a relief. I thought I was one of those evil bitches who refused nice beta males access to pussy and relationships.
BlackHate: Both men and women are of the same value. ‘Male’ and ‘female’ roles are just choices we make. Neither the state nor feminism can tell us what they should be.
Ah… MEN should define those roles. Then men can blame women for fulfilling them (stay at home, spend, “his” money, because she has no job, “in keeping with her,’female’ role” and get called a gold-digging hypergamous bitch, or go out, get a job, support herself [and maybe her partner]; so she can be called a castrating bitch, who is destined to get divorced because she, “usurped” the “man’s role”).
That’s a swell system you got there. And you wonder why women aren’t lining up to join it.
Of course you don’t believe it. Your rhetoric is all about how women, just by existing, are a drain on the economy. You complain that the, “traditional gender roles” which are somehow so immutable they have never changed from the beginning of time, and apply to all women, everywhere, always, are a net drain on society.
So the thing you say you hate, is also the thing you say must be enforced.
So you have no leg to stand on when you try to complain about “the way things are”.
That’s about what I would have estimated.
On the bisexuality front, my husband is bi. I’m gay. We’ve been together eighteen years. Hasn’t been an issue for us, as far as I know. All of our women friends seem to think we make a lovely couple.
Of course, that’s one-third of the segment of the homeless population where they are the least represented. If we were given all the numbers side by side so we could compare we could work out the total, but they unhelpfully do not provide that.
Hmmph.
Robert — Aww, cute couple! Also, you new around here? We have a Welcome Package!
Howard, give me 5, I’ll do the math, there’s enough there.
Wait, wait, it gets better. Black Hat says that he’s getting his numbers from his observations of the world.
Well, that’s just about the most willfully ignorant way to view the world, son. I’ve found your problem.
Actual studies show you are wrong. Actual studies that Nepenthe linked. Telling us what you observed just tells us what your biases are.
Go back, read those studies. You are denying reality. You have a problem, and a bias, and you’ll never be able to see the world as it is, BlackHat, until you see that.
You know the guy with the black hat was the bad guy, right?
Argenti, I’m not sure; it seems that they have category single and homeless, and category homeless with children, but doesn’t that drop any homeless couples?
67.5% * 76% = 51.3% — Homeless people who are single men
(100% – 67.5%) * 76% = 24.7% — Homeless people who are single women
35% * (100% – 76%) = 8.4% — Male homeless people in households with children
65% * (100% – 76%) = 15.6% — Female homeless people in households with children
Female homeless, total — 24.7% + 15.6% = 40.3%
Male homeless, total — 51.3% + 8.4% = 59.7%
With the general population 49% male, 51% female, that makes just about an even 10% over/under-representation.
Howard, eh, I guess. But considering how many would be heterosexual couples, it seem moot. Also, check out the difference assuming that does encompass all homeless people.
@cloudiah
Did the Black Fedora say that one thing I quoted, or was that someone else? I thought that was him, and that reply was made accordingly, but if not, sorry to whoever did say it. I should’ve looked for one of his quotes specifically to reply to.
But don’t worry, he’s the only one that really irked me with his dismissal of homeless women. The rest of you non-trolls were fine. Besides, I’m in a much happier situation at the moment, with my own room and a bathroom and a door and a garden and a job and all the stuff that’s been languishing in storage and a washer/dryer and a refrigerator and the opportunity to catch up on Atop the Fourth Wall and a hat rack… Pretty much all that’s missing right now is my cat, but give me two weeks and I will be the happiest and most fearless little burrito you ever did see. It’s all good.
Not sure who you quoted, but I, for one, assumed it was he who asked the question — Fedora. And w00t for rooms and bathrooms and jobs and KITTIES!!!
(I’m apparently quite excitable on 4 hours of sleep, sorry guys)