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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Note to Internet: if you want a healthy snack you can’t put down, as opposed to potato chips (crisps in British English I think?) it’s love crunch granola and it’s good.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Chips or crisps, either, here. Chips means crisps and fries. We aim to confuse.

The real question with crunch granola is, how well does it store in the cracks in one’s keyboard?

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Yeah, this weekend, I’ll email you if he gets real plans (at this point he’s debating driving into NYC proper and parking there) so yeah.

Also, you see the video I sent earlier? The one of us in frame is him. He’s taking a nekkid model on a date. I don’t fucking even… (actually, I do, much as he annoys me, he’s actually quite respectful and I can’t remotely see him being all SHE’S NEKKID! [hell, there’s a photo of them from Florida, she’s in just panties, he looks about as OMGS photos! As his prom photos])

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Kitteh — iPad ftw!! Mac probably doesn’t store it either, I replaced that keyboard ~2011 and it was surprising clean, particularly considering it needed replaced because keyboards don’t drink beer.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL! I use my ancient Gateway keyboard – I bought it last century – because it’s much more comfortable to use than the mingy little thing on my laptop. I half expect some strange new life form to crawl out of it eventually.

katz
11 years ago

But they have to march the same distance, carrying the same loads. They have to swim the same distance, in the same time. They have to clear the same obstacles.

Also they tend to piddle on the rugs, and dry cleaning is bad for the environment.

This has been today’s episode of “Katz Points Out Amusing Comment Juxtapositions.”

CassandraSays
11 years ago

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Kittehserf
11 years ago

We should totally have an obstacle course entry test for trolls.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

@ argenti

Both men and women are of the same value. ‘Male’ and ‘female’ roles are just choices we make. Neither the state nor feminism can tell us what they should be.

Is this so hard to understand?

CassandraSays
11 years ago

First obstacle – quote a feminist other than Dworkin.

CassandraSays
11 years ago

Second obstacle – quote Dworkin accurately and demonstrate that you understand what the extract you’re quoting means.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

There’d better be something about leaving the goalposts where they were to begin with. All that dancing around can’t be good for them.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Third obstacle: offer citations.

Fourth obstacle: the citations don’t come from MRA blogs.

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

Fifth obstacle: Prepare an offering for the Great Furry Ones.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh the Great Furry Ones is even scarier than the Furrinati!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkj4xemmkL1qcnjdto1_500.jpg

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3374573568/h40842A27/

katz
11 years ago

Psst, a marmot’s rights activist has been spotted in the wild.

katz
11 years ago

I was Googling which thread to post this in and Google autocorrected “marmots’ rights activist” to “marmite rights activist.” I love this place.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

I can’t even get any sound out, I am laughing so hard!

::expires::

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

The Great Furry Ones must be the leaders of the Furrinati. Mostly cats, I would think, but I suppose a token dog/other pet could be in there as well.

dsfrogs
11 years ago

Oh, and suddently he is against gender roles.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Yeah, that made me laugh too, dsfrogs – he’s still not worth answering.

Malitia
Malitia
11 years ago

I don’t think (from that comment) that he is against gender roles. More like he literally can’t imagine a world without them so blames the government and feminism for their decline.

But maybe I just jump to conclusions, because for me “Both men and women are of the same value.” almost always reads as the lead to a “Separate but equal.” argument for some odd reason. :/

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Whatever the details, the gist of whatever he thinks will be “stupid” and “misogynist” (which is a tautology, of course, but it’s fun writing “stupid” about trolls).

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

…how did he even get that out of what I said to pecunium? Did like, the cognitive dissonance of “pecunium, I think he’s decided you’re taking on female roles” combine with “never insult a man” and cause some sort of critical brain failure?

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Critical brain failure?

Nah. Not enough raw material to work with.