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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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Briznecko
Briznecko
11 years ago

BlackHead:

Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Walking stick
Lobster shell
Cellophane
Acid bath
Legal pad
Nitrogen
Avocado
Sleeping bag
Rope

Money for dope
Russian hat
Safety glass
Jumping beans
Hand grenade
Almanac
Butcher block
Finger cymbals
Liquid soap
Money for dope

-They Might Be Giants, Money for Dope

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, “The King and I” and “The Catcher in the Rye”

Eisenhower, vaccine, England’s got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

“We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel

eumenidis
eumenidis
11 years ago

I can’t figure out how straight women’s judgments on “masculinity” could have any significant effects on how gay men are treated in our society, nor can I understand why gay men would even care what straight woman think.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Indeed. This is why studies of leisure time have found either that men have more free time than women or that both have roughly the same amount of free time. Because it’s Opposite Millenium in academia.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

I can’t think of any 80s pop song lyrics, so I’ll just say try to find a citation, bub.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Oh fine, black fedora. Keep ignoring my questions. Such is the life of trolling.

HEY GUYS I HAVE HOUSING AND IT IS AMAZING! 8D I now have a private space to retreat to! Huzzah!

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

@eumenidis.

There’s a kind of logic to it.

A) Assume that men will always do everything they can to get laid, because it’s What Men Do.
B) Assume that men will be entirely unable to resist a chance to get laid, because it’s What Men Do.

That’s the foundation. Now assume that:

C) Women are sly, conniving bitches who lie and cheat and hate men.
D) Women’s preferences are those men who can survive all the hate, the biggest and strongest and fastest.

What you get is:

E) When men, who can’t resist trying to get laid, hear women talk about how much they hate men, they try to be bigger and badder and tougher, which means they have to push others around. Gay men, who don’t try to impress women, don’t try to get bigger and badder and tougher, so they’re at a disadvantage.

So, when the Bigger Men crump the Gayer Men, it’s really all women’s fault.

Because it’s always all about dicks, really, and there’s no avoiding it.

Bleh : (

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

@ ostara321
Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

No one’s gonna tell me
What’s wrong or what’s right
Or tell me who to eat with sleep with
Or that I’ve won the big fight big fight

“Goody Two Shoes”- Adam Ant

cloudiah
11 years ago

Yay, LBT!

Random lyrics from 80s pop songs:

Modern medicine falls short of your complaints
Oooh, try a little harder
You’re moving in circles, won’t you dilate
Oooh, baby try
Hey girl, move a little closer
Cause, you’re too shy, shy
Hush hush, eye to eye
Too, shy, shy
Hush, hush, eye to eye
Too, shy, shy
Hush, hush, eye to eye
Too, shy, shy
Hush, hush

“Too Shy” — Kajagoogoo

katz
11 years ago

Video killed the radio star,
Video killed the radio star,
In my mind and in my car,
We can’t rewind we’ve gone too far

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Fibinachi

Because it’s always all about dicks, really, and there’s no avoiding it.

My husband has much to say on that.

RE: cloudiah

I didn’t realize how AMAZING privacy is until I was finally able to have it again.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@LBT

HEY GUYS I HAVE HOUSING AND IT IS AMAZING! 8D I now have a private space to retreat to! Huzzah!

Yay for your housing! 😀 ::sends virtual housewarming cake::

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

@LBT

I didn’t mean to imply!
That the words once spoken had any token truth!
No, I didn’t mean to imply!
That the things I said wasn’t said in a tone much aloof!

Na na na

I don’t believe in dick rights
no no
I don’t believe in dick rights..

[Set to the tune of We Didn’t Start The Fire, Billy Joel]
( congrats on your housing, by the by)

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

LBT: Yay for housing! I’m glad you’re enjoying your new room.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

I’m glad to hear that LBT! =D

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Or the amount of time men spend watching porn at work. One of those fer sure.

Auggie
Auggie
11 years ago

Does he realize that feminism wants more* women in the workforce?
The differences in populations of workforce isn’t that great today anyways. Male percentage is 53.1% and female is 46.9%.**
So the solution to the bonbon ass-sitting epidemic is just getting equal amounts of women in the workforce.

*More women, so that they are equal. I’m pretty sure feminists aren’t aiming for 95% women workforce.
**source = http://investorplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GenderChart.jpg
Also I don’t know how to link that into a word.

pecunium
11 years ago

to make a link <a href =”url”>”text”</a>

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

someone who considers them subhuman privileged/oppressors

See, this is what happens when stupid people try to appropriate social justice terminology without figuring out what the terms actually mean.

Also, to continue the theme, a song from the 80s which seems oddly appropriate given the relationship between Manboobz and the MRM.

Uh, oh, we’re in trouble
Something’s come along and it’s burst our bubble
Uh, oh, we’re in trouble
Book us a ticket on the next space shuttle

We tried to steal a car but we soon realized
We got down the road none of us could drive
A police car came along and they took us for a ride
And when we get home we’re gonna get gonna get fried

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

And in honor of whichever MRA weirdo was going on about injured men being unable to protect women from tigers in the jungle the other day…

Kittehserf
11 years ago

What’s the bet “treating men as subhuman” means “doesn’t respond to random dude* as if he were her reason for living”?

*especially if he’s a marmot called Clyde

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

Citation needed. Good ones too, since Nepenthe provided peer reviewed sources that pretty much debunked your assfax.

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Thwarted again by the blockquote monster.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Kittehs was the marmot Clyde on this thread? I’ve lost it.

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