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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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cloudiah
11 years ago

LBT, how dare you dehumanize men by making them into metaphorical sausages. 😀

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Incorrect. Women spend more money than men which means that print media has to be femocentric to get the advertising. Women also have more free time to consume media.

Ah yes, the ol’ women only sit around and eat bon bons all day, claim. They are all totes lying about having jobs and being expected to do the majority of the housework and obvs housework and family care is super easy and not time consuming at all because, well, I mean, women can do it, amiright?

This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.

The dominant culture in which there still tend to be few women in key roles in movies considered “serious” or action movies? The dominant culture in which panels of male-only politicians get to decide what all women should do with their bodies? The dominant culture in which it’s totes cool for newscasters to take away women’s right to vote? The dominant culture in which it’s considered common knowledge that women just aren’t funny?

To be clear, I’m not actually looking for answers, since it’s obvious you’re so full of shit you probably have a Pig Pen type cloud around you, I’m just enjoying watching you continue to dig yourself into a hole of stupid.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

Women also have more free time to consume media.

Really? How interesting.

(For those who don’t want to click through, Sparky’s assertion is, naturally, false.)

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@LBT

Surely you don’t think women are selfless enough to want to watch men all day. Hell, I’m gay and I get sick of the sausage fest.

Are you implying that men can actually want to watch women, even if they don’t want to bone them? MIsandry!

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

BTW: that bit above there should be “in which it’s totes cool for newscasters to call for the government to take away women’s right to vote” just in case our little troll decides to take my typo as proof that we feminists are delusional and making shit up.

pecunium
11 years ago

Guy Fedora: Incorrect. Women spend more money than men which means that print media has to be femocentric to get the advertising.

How does this connect? Women read more magazines because they have so much free time? I thought they were out spending money?

What, one wonders, do they spend it on? Groceries? Cleaning supplies? Cruises to Aruba with their Alpha Thugboys?

Enlighten us.

pecunium
11 years ago

MaudeLL: I do find that argument slightly weird, because I think if men did most of the shopping, MRAs would cite it as oppressive too.

Nailed it in one.

Women do “spend” more, but the data shows it’s on things like groceries, and clothes for kids/men, as well as those bon-bons and vacation trips to day spas.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: cloudiah

I’m sure my husband would have something appropriate to say about that.

RE: Marie

Is it MY fault I’m not interested in boning most people? I actually find it quite tiring having my presumed boning-tastes shoved in my face all the time. (You’re a MAN! That means you like BIG BOOBS! And Freudian guns! And BOOOOOBS!)

cloudiah
11 years ago

Queue one of our two lying trolls: It is clear that feminists all want to grind men up into sausages.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

“Women also have more free time to consume media.”

But you don’t, that’s why you’re here?

“This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.”

**Whistles theme to The Twilight Zone**

No, seriously folks:

“[I]n narrative film when looking at women directors over the last decade, only 41 women have made films in the top 100 released films every year across the decade, compared to 625 men. There are 15.24 male directors for each 1 female director. So that means many men make multiple films and few women make any films.”

— from a study conducted by researchers at the Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism at the University of Southern California, the study assessed 11,197 directors, writers, producers, cinematographers, and editors whose movies screened in Sundance from 2002-2012.

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@LBT

I get sick of the sausage fest.

But, it’s a fest!!!! You can’t hate a fest!!

cloudiah
11 years ago

oops, ^^ “Cue” ^^

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Shadow

Fehh. Wurstfest was so much more entertaining. Also, this is relevant. (And NSFW)

tedthefed
tedthefed
11 years ago

I’m still trying to figure out how someone can be subhuman and privileged at the same time.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: tedthefed

Aliens.

(Also, I’m sorry, but I imagine you to be Ted Kord every time you post.)

dsfrogs
dsfrogs
11 years ago

“This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.”
What if you could open a portal to a parallel universe? What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds? and what if you can’t find your way home? 🙁

Briznecko
Briznecko
11 years ago

Shorter BlackHead: Facts are MISANDRY. My genralizations are TRUTH.

Howard Bannister
Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Ah, the MRA way. All truths come straight from assfax.

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

“[I]n narrative film when looking at women directors over the last decade, only 41 women have made films in the top 100 released films every year across the decade, compared to 625 men. There are 15.24 male directors for each 1 female director. So that means many men make multiple films and few women make any films.”

That’s just because women prefer to sit on their asses all day and eat bon bons while men go out and slay mammoths and do the hard work of directing and producing movies. Meanwhile women consume that media because men have no time to while they are slaying mammoths directing said movies.

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.

So the manosphere is Fox News, basically.

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Given that Boring Fedora’s admitted that he’s just here to troll, and he constantly lies and makes shit up, I now resume my policy of responding to his posts with random lyrics from 80’s pop songs.

This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.

So needless to say
I’m odds and ends
But that’s me stumbling away
Slowly learning that life is OK
Say after me
It’s no better to be safe than sorry

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Given that Boring Fedora is a lying shitbag who’s admitted he’s just here to troll, I now resume my policy of responding to all his posts with random lyrics from 80’s pop songs:

This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.

So needless to say
I’m odds and ends
But that’s me stumbling away
Slowly learning that life is OK
Say after me
It’s no better to be safe than sorry

– “Take on Me”, by A-ha

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

@ ostara321
Actually you are broadly correct. Men have less time for daytime TV and so on because of the volume of work that we do.

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Aaaaaah I thought the manboobz gremlins ate my post so I posted again! Oh well, you can never get enough 80’s pop songs.

boumbette
boumbette
11 years ago

Becausescience ninjaed me!

His quote (assuming fed-fed is a man) actually reminded me of the reason that guy, Dean Chambers I think, was ‘unskewing’ polls last fall. Don’t like reality? Create your own facts in a nuclear bunker!

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