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Homophobia totally the fault of straight women, according to Men’s Rights Redditors

Men forced into macho straightjacked by straight women's expectations, out cruising for chicks.
Men forced into hypermasculine role by straight women, out cruising for chicks.

So we learned the other day from that Man Going His Own Way that male violence was, like, totally the fault of evil sexy ladies. Now, from this Men’s Rights Redditor, we learn that homophobia — or at least homophobia directed at gay men — is all the fault of straight women and their desire for macho dudes. Because straight men don’t ever express any sort of hostility towards gay or effeminate men — it’s just those darn ladies!

I've said this many times in different circumstances, but I fully believe the push for hyper-masculinity is not caused by a desire to prove masculinity to ones peers or caused by some latent homophobia. The cause of hyper-masculinity and its associated homophobic undertones is caused by straight women and what they as a group have deemed "totally unacceptable" in a mate.  Appearing gay (I'm gay) has never really caused me any heartache within a group of men. Even if those men don't know I'm gay and just think I'm an effeminate weirdo. In mixed groups of men and women, it has. I think it stems from female judgement of men who aren't "masculine enough" to be inferior for relationships, men pick up on it and boost up the masculinity and inter-male aggression/intolerance of behaviors not considered normal.  It also comes from widespread female intolerance of any sort of homosexual or "appearing homosexual" behavior in potential mates, an intolerance which isn't found among men. Ask any straight man you know if he would dump his girlfriend/wife if he found out she had lesbian sex before they were dating. Now ask any straight woman you know if she would dump her boyfriend/husband if she found out he had gay sex before they were dating. I have asked these questions to many people. The answers have always backed up my position. I actually had a couple women tell me that they would leave their husbands if they found out that he had fooled around with a guy as young as highschool.
But, huh, what about all those straight dudes who are always calling other dudes “gay” and, you know, that other word that starts with an “f?”

Well, apparently that’s just playful joshing. No harm, no foul! If anything, it shows how wonderfully tolerant of gayness these guys are. I mean, come on, if you can’t see this, you must be stupid, or something. Or so says this other Men’s Rights Redditor:

It takes some advanced cognitive ability to comprehend why most men tease one another for being gay. It has little to do with homosexuality, real or perceived. It is about acceptance. It is also about challenging perception. When one man calls his friend "gay", he is playfully asserting his own dominance over his friend. He is also insinuating not only that he would still accept and love his friend, but also that he recognizes that everyone's at least a little gay, and that they have both grown out of any childish notions of homosexuality being bad and thereby being hurt by being called "gay". They are sharing a bonding experience of mutual acceptance, playfulness, and even affection through this social ritual. One could even suggest that faux male gay shaming is a method of expressing homosexuality in a manner that rates low enough on the kinsey scale to suit their comfort.  Or we could just take it at face value and refuse to explore the psychodynamic behind the process. It seems more convenient when obtuseness is a preferred weapon.

They’re just having a little fun. You’re not against fun, are you?

Thanks to the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for pointing me to these quotes.

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pecunium
11 years ago

Clyde: . Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists…

Oh, really?

I have a few theories why feminists consider specifically white men subhuman, but that’s a comment for another day.

Why wait? Why make us suffer any longer?

pecunium
11 years ago

Feddy: Clyde has already told you what he is talking about. He is giving you a look into the way life appears to many men

Many Christians think the world is persecuting them.

GGG thinks he will die if he doesn’t get the sex he thinks he deserves.

All of these are delusions.

You have shared some of yours. They are outside of my experience but I took the trouble of considering them.

No, you didn’t. Here’s why:

Unfortunately because you have taken the feminist toxin

That, my dear chap, is an actual ad hominem attack. No response to what Aruba said, just, “you are a feminist, ergo you are wrong”.

Notice that we aren’t doing that to you, or Clyde. We are explaining how our experience contradicts his/yours. Since you are making blanket claims, that’s all which need be done to show you are wrong.

pecunium
11 years ago

Today, at the mall (crap, I forgot to get shaving cream), I had to pass by that Mecca of Feminism (The Yankee Candle Company) and they were advertising.., MAN CANDLES, scents like, “mown grass” and Bacon (mmm!).

I took a photo, but it’s still on my phone.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

@Aruba
Clyde doesn’t actually responds when he replies to comments. He’s ‘responded’ to my comment addressing none of my points yesterday. Responding to specific points or questions when you visit a comment section is oppressive.
(summary of his response: feminists think white men are subhuman, because I know. zzzz)

Aruba
Aruba
11 years ago

@Maude
Yeah, I’ve noticed that many trolls do that. It’s annoying but very revealing.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@kittehs

I shall call him … Clyde.

::uncontrollable giggles::

I made the pic of Clyde the Repressed just now. Took more time to find a coupla pics than it did to throw it together.

It did? I am envy of your photoshop abilities…

@tugley logger

I can’t say I’m surprised, though, as I did see her criticizing a petition to rename Vancouver as “Mancouver” on the AVFM site.

I am way too amused by the fact that this petition existed XD

@the boring fedora

He is giving you a look into the way life appears to many men.

Suuurrreeee he is. Yet none of the male posters here (who aren’t misogynistic trolls) nor any of the men I’ve met in meatspace have said this too me. It’s almost as if it’s soley a point boring misogynists with a bad projection complex have.

Unfortunately because you have taken the feminist toxin you cannot consider that men have the same internal lives as women.

Feminist…toxin…

Yum! ::guggles feminist toxin::

Also I love* how the misogynists are like ‘no you’re secretly the ones who think so and so is secretly not human, ignoring, like, reality.

*by love I mean hate.

I think the morning has frazzled my brain. I’ll be posting now incase my computer eats this comment.

dsfrogs
dsfrogs
11 years ago

Dear white man person,
Hating sexist racist people for their sexism and racism != hating white men just for being white men.
love,
reality.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Feminist toxin. Is that like the cooties?
As in, 5-year-old Billy decided he shouldn’t play with girls — since they have cooties.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

That’s how you can tell that MRAs are a real filosofikal movement. When feminists note how women are oppressed, they give specific examples, but MRAs just traffic in pure Ideals of Oppression and Misandry and Scented Fucking Candles.

Quoting for truth, also in hopes if Clyde might one day get the point and stop just saying ‘like, but men are oppressed guyz’

Today, at the mall (crap, I forgot to get shaving cream), I had to pass by that Mecca of Feminism (The Yankee Candle Company) and they were advertising.., MAN CANDLES, scents like, “mown grass” and Bacon (mmm!).

I took a photo, but it’s still on my phone.

Those sound kind of nasty. Though if the bacon ones succeeded, they’d probably make me hungry when they were burning.

pecunium
11 years ago

I am poor feminist: I dislike scented candles; save for the vague hint of sweet from the honey in beeswax.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

I like a very subtle vanilla-scented candle; anything strongly scented is just too overpowering. I bought some when my cat had a period of incontinence, and they were too strong. Half of them are unburned and will probably remain that way.

The really high-end expensive candles tend to be more subtle, I’ve noticed. I’m also super-cheap, so I probably will just get vanilla-flavored coffee and brew a lot of it to suffuse the house with the scent.

I’m never gonna level up to Mangina level 12 at this rate!!

dsfrogs
dsfrogs
11 years ago

It’s funny how these people are sure that women don’t know what it’s like to be a man, as if movies/ books/ shows are not constantly telling stories written by men, for men, about men, telling how men view the world. Women are tought to identify with men from childhood.

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

I’m so manly I light gasoline on a plate when I want a cozy atmosphere at home.

dsfrogs
dsfrogs
11 years ago

Oy, wrong thread, makes no sense.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

@ dasfrogs

Incorrect. Women spend more money than men which means that print media has to be femocentric to get the advertising. Women also have more free time to consume media.

This is why men create the manosphere. To create an alternative to the dominant culture.

katz
11 years ago

Nope, guys are a totally mysterious entity, shrouded in mystery, the likes of which our frail lady-brains could not possibly fathom.

Mistertique!

Aruba
Aruba
11 years ago

@dsfrogs
Have you heard of the Bechdel test?

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@black fedora

Women spend more money than men which means that print media has to be femocentric to get the advertising

Citation needed!

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

Unfortunately because you have taken the feminist toxin you cannot consider that men have the same internal lives as women.

Does that come in the form of a pill, or the far superior form of suppository?

Specifically, white men as a group are generally considered subhuman by modern feminists

Said with no sense of irony on the blog of a white, male feminist, populated by mostly white commenters, whose male commenters are almost all white. I want to send all MRAs a book on literary devices.

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@Marie

Wack Fedora is actually right about women spending more money than men, but that’s because women do the majority of shopping for the household. So women spend more money /= women spend more money on themselves, despite the complete lack of comprehension of MRAs (and misogynists in general).

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Shadow,

I’ve heard that before, I just wanted a citation on his ‘femocentric’ media. Though I kinda was really unclear… ::blushes::

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

@shadow/marie
I have read very contradicting research on spending habits by gender, the information is all over the place as far as I know. It is usually only counting specific items (for example, women spend more in groceries, but obviously they don’t eat more than men). I’d be interested to find out more about it. It sounds weird to me, but it might be because I live in a ‘non-traditional’ world.
I do find that argument slightly weird, because I think if men did most of the shopping, MRAs would cite it as oppressive too.

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@Marie

Lol, no worries. Also, while trying to find a citation, I ran across “this abstract”. I don’t have access to the study though, so I’m not sure how valid it is (also, I suck at economics, so access to the study probably won’t mean shit to me anyways :P)

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@MaudeLL

Yeah, I just ran into some of that loll

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Black Fedora

Women spend more money than men which means that print media has to be femocentric to get the advertising.

Then why do women have relatively fewer speaking parts in film, by a wide margin?

Surely you don’t think women are selfless enough to want to watch men all day. Hell, I’m gay and I get sick of the sausage fest.

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