Men’s Rights, er, activists are waving their arms frantically in the air over what they see as a dire new threat to men and manhood: Facebook’s recent annoucement that it was going to try to do a better job of taking down violent images mocking victims of rape and domestic violence, and other kinds of misogynistic hate speech.
Last week, as many of you no doubt already know, a coalition of feminist groups launched a campaign targeting Facebook and its advertisers for tolerating this sort of content on Facebook — in many cases even after it was reported to Facebook moderators as clearly violating the site’s already existing policies against hate speech and graphic violence. (For many truly disgusting and possibly TRIGGERING examples, see here.)
Well, Facebook actually listened, and announced it would be making efforts to better handle “gender-based” hate speech, and would be “solicit[ing] feedback from legal experts and others, including representatives of the women’s coalition and other groups that have historically faced discrimination” — among them some of the groups involved in the protest. While Facebook’s promises remain vague, those behind the protest are hailing this, correctly I think, as a victory.
A lot of Men’s Rights activists, by contrast, seem to think Facebook’s new policy means the beginning of the end for free speech for men on the internet. And no one seems more worked up about it than A Voice for Men’s Supreme Commander Paul Elam.
In a posting he declared “probably the most important article I have ever written” — not that this is saying much — Elam attempted to rally the troops to fight against what he called “the greatest challenge the M(H)RM has faced so far.” Elam claimed that taking down images of brutalized women with captions like “women deserve equal rights — and lefts” isn’t the real goal here. No, he charged,
feminist ideologues are co-opting Facebook, and they will root out any and all opposition to their worldview.
But instead of lamenting this terrible alleged threat to the spirit of the First Amendment and Free Speech, Elam moves on — immediately, in the very next sentence — to an even more important issue:
That will include, at some point, the AVFM Facebook page and its nearly 3,500 fans (2,000 of which have come in the past two months).
How important this is? In a word, very.
Facebook accounts for roughly 10-13% of our traffic on most days, and with a rapidly growing fan base that promises to represent a continually increasing number of actual visitors to the site.
That’s right: FACEBOOK’S NEW POLICIES MAY REDUCE A VOICE FOR MEN’S TRAFFIC BY TEN TO THIRTEEN PERCENT.
And if feminists succeed in their dastardly plan to root out all non-feminist thought on Facebook — a plan which so far exists only in Elam’s paranoid imagination– then what?
Where do you imagine, if they are successful at eliminating men’s rights discussion from Facebook, they will go next? Reddit? YouTube?
How about Google?
Do you think they are above trying to have men’s rights websites de-listed from Google search returns?
If any of this actually happens, outside of Elam’s fever dreams of persecution, I pledge to literally eat my kitties. Or, at the very least, one of Werner Herzog’s shoes.
Of course, if Facebook simply does what it says it will do, and not what Elam imagines it will do, A Voice for Men’s Facebook page may find itself in a bit of trouble. Because a lot of what appears on AVFM — which continues to post an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations on its activism page — can only be described as gender-based hate speech. (TRIGGER WARNING for what follows.)
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It was Elam, after all, who asked, about women who are date raped after drinking with men at bars:
[A]re these women asking to get raped?…
NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking begging for it.
Damn near demanding it. …
[T]here are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.
And Elam — like a lot of the misogynistic “humorists” on Facebook — is not above using a picture of a brutalized woman to illustrate one of his little “jokes.” Here is a screenshot from one of his posts; the text is his, as is the caption to the picture. (He has since removed the picture from the post, though the hateful text remains.)
Of course, even as AVFM tries to whip up outrage over the alleged feminist/Facebook plan to silence the menz, the regulars there are having a hard time even pretending to be bothered by the violent images of rape and brutality that the feminist protesters have pointed to on Facebook. (You’d think, at least for PR purposes, they’d want to position themselves against violent rape “jokes.”)
Indeed, in an earlier AVFM post on the Facebook fracas, someone called Victor Zen seemed to argue that glorifying or even promoting rape is fine so long as you don’t actually go and do it. See if you can make sense of this word salad:
Rape, it’s glorification? My experience has been that people who post images, videos and text that promote rape and violence are doing it because they know the value of shock. If you conflate their intention to deceive with their presentation of an untruthful reality you rob yourself of the truth. It is tempting for some to believe as they say, but in the end those that do are denied what is actually real. I doubt real rapists are publicly announcing their desire to rape. I want numbers because I am curious.
How many examples of hate speech that WAM! and affiliates moan about lead to proven incidences of rape or domestic violence?
I don’t even … what?
The Men’s Rights movement: Fighting for the right to shout rape jokes on a crowded Facebook.
PPT…”intelligent aspects of the conversation?” Where?
Here are the aspects of the conversation on Mary’s blog that I thought were intelligent.
(1) Mary’s analysis of several recent Christian magazine articles, compared with biblical quotations.
(2) Discussion in the comments about whether God’s standards are too high, and if so, should the Church change their standards?
(3) Difference between sex inside and outside of marriage.
(4) Growing agreement between evangelical and secular feminists on a growing set of issues.
(5) Analysis of whether we are living in a post-Christian age.
Even more interesting ideas than that.
Waaaait a minute.
I thought Men didn’t use Google to go to MRA sites because they just type it into the address bar because they are Manly or something and that explains why more people search for horse porn than men’s rights?
If that’s the case then the men’s rights movement has nothing to fear. Let feminists have the Google, as long as MRAs can have the address bar!
Pecunium, I will try to get to your heretical theology, but it does take time to deconstruct.
i had two women look at your posts, and they said you need a good right-wing women to tame you. They wanted to pursue a Vatican investigation against you, but I was able to talk them out of it.
In point of actual fact (and no I’m not MRAL, I just looked up past posts, and I like that phrase), the magesterium’s position on life was in response to the growing indifference to the concept of life by the secular world, through the growing abortion/military/industrial complex. It is possible that the Church will decide that administratively, man is too sinful to live without birth control and may need to adopt my moderate position on abortion with some exceptions; however, that has not happened yet.
Just dropping in to point out that “in point of actual fact” was a Steele tell, rather than a MRAL part 1 tell.
Also, hi, Sir Bodsworth!
whut
Aliya, I refer to the fact that Pecunium proclaims to be Catholic, but holds heretical views according to church teaching on morality.
PPTT: i had two women look at your posts, and they said you need a good right-wing women to tame you. They wanted to pursue a Vatican investigation against you, but I was able to talk them out of it.
Your posts always make me giggle. Keep up the good work.
Do I need to get popcorn?
Why did you get rid of the ‘A’ and the ‘h’ in my name? My name looks weak without those characters. :{
A’s and H’s are misandry. Really, we should be calling you Liy.
Hi Cassandra!
So… PPT claims to be a Catholic who respects Luther as a thinker. Hm.
Thinks that the Vatican will launch a heresy investigation against a layman based on a couple of forum posts. Hm.
‘I am also concerned about our over-emphasis on science and scientific wordism.’ Hm.
But the killer is:
‘Proclaims to be a Catholic’
Pure MRAL.
Sir Bodsworth: Not only that, but essentially an ANONYMOUS layman, since of course PPT has no idea who Pecunium really is, and these alleged women who have the Pope on speed-dial certainly don’t.
I don’t know if PPT is actually a sock or someone new, but I do know that he’s a pathetic ball of delusion and narcissism.
Does the Church allow women to launch investigations? That seems rather un-Vatican-like.
Just picturing poor Pierre working at the Vatican switchboard when the call comes in…
Sir Bodsworth – I wouldn’t be too surprised if PPT is Mr Al. More importantly, how’ve you been? 🙂
RadicalParrot – all the hugs if you want ’em. Ignore the articles, stay for the OT comment threads!
Which phrase, Pro patria, and whose posts?
The “Look at me I’m a troll” is getting stronger with PPT. Strong smell of game-playing sock.
What’s your morning height in point of actual truthy fact, PPTAL?
Hey, Kittehserf! I’ve been so busy lately – doing honours at uni, working part time and being in a long distance relationship. Its all a bit time consuming!
“A bit” sounds like understatement of the year!
I, personally, would far rather hear about what Sir Bodsworth has been up to than about the maybe-sock’s opinions on…well, anything, really.
Yeah, you’re right there. How have you been?
Ditto what Cassandra said.
I’ve been middling healthwise, pretty good otherwise! M’knee’s stuffed (cartilage) but I don’t have to have an operation, which is good news. I’ve just started ten days’ holiday, yay!
Holidays! I remember those!
Speaking of, I’d better get to work.
Take care!
Toodle-pip, you too! 🙂