Over on This is Why MGTOW, the blogger who calls himself Cerberus Alpha (dude, seriously?) attempts to answer the question: Why are men more violent?
Rather than attempting to engage with the extensive scholarly literature on the subject, or even making a token effort to do any research on the subject whatsoever, Mr. Alpha instead spins a few familiar manosphere fairy tales into “evidence” that it’s all the fault of those evil sexy ladies and their evil sexy and/or feminist ways.
Young women train violence and criminality into young men. The thug with the shaved head who communicates in grunts is sexually rewarded. The empathetic bookworm is denied if not publicly humiliated if he approaches a girl. So the bookworm puts down the book, gets contacts and a tattoo, bulks up in the gym, and generally acts like an asshole. (Why would he be nice to women any more?) Suddenly, he finds himself showered in pussy. This is how it works. Women’s sexual desires are dark and pathological, and this encourages men to become violent criminals if they want to get laid.
His evidence for this?
Just look at all the Game blogs out there, which teach men how to mimic the frame of the uncaring, alpha criminal without actually breaking the law.
That’s right. Misogynist dude pontificating about ladies cites as evidence … other misogynist dudes pontificating about ladies. THAT’S SCIENCE!
Oh, but the perfidy of the evil violence-causing ladies gets worse! Because they also force men to commit evil violence by, apparently, telling them to do it in sweet sexy voices:
Women’s own violence is committed via proxy (i.e. they get men to do the difficult work of physical coercion), and thus is incorporated into men’s overall violence. That’s pretty smart of women, in a devious and manipulative sort of way. A woman who has a problem with a man (or just wants to see a guy get beaten up, because that kind of sadism makes her tingle) sidles up to her boyfriend and asks so-sweetly if he will ‘do something’ about that guy who’s bothering her. But when the fun is over and the cops show up because someone is leaving the party in an ambulance, it was all his fault, see. She didn’t do a thing. She’s sugar and spice and all things nice.
I think Mr. Alpha here is confusing real life with the TV show Cheaters.
But wait! We haven’t even gotten to the even eviller evils of … FEMINISM.
Since the 1960s, normal male behavior has been increasingly criminalized while criminal female behavior has been increasingly normalized. This process is known as ‘feminism,’ and includes legal restrictions on politically incorrect speech, redefinitions of ‘harassment,’ and so on. This ground has been covered over and over again in the sphere and we don’t need to retread how feminism makes it illegal simply to exist as a man.
Uh, maybe you do need to go over that once more because, well, here’s the thing, I’m a dude, and I’ve never been arrested for being a man. Or even given a warning. And I’m pretty sure there are literally billions of other men on planet earth in the same situation as I am. Are there warrants out for us all?
The flip side is that crimes like abortion and infanticide, for which women were typically held responsible, have been made legal and normalized by feminists.
Really? Could you remind me again when Congress passed the Actual Live Human Baby Killing Is A-OK With Us Act, because I’m pretty sure infanticide isn’t legal or “normalized” in the US or anywhere on this planet. And in the US, at least, abortion rights (not to mention abortion providers) are under pretty much constant attack.
Mr. Alpha also suggests that male violence is just a sort of side effect of men being such hard workers and deep thinkers and shit:
Men commit more crime because men do more of anything, that is apart from self-obsessed complaining. This is the Y-chromosome explanation that radfems are so fond of, except they miss out the part that if there’s no Jack the Ripper then there’s no Einstein either, and it’s kind of hard to be a career grrl if men haven’t invented corporations and desks yet. Men are proactive as women are reactive, which in laymen’s terms means we get shit done.
Also, mammoths, we hunted them to feed you, etc.
Not content to blame male violence on women, Mr. Alpha ends by suggesting that he won’t really mind if some men — wink, wink — wise up and start directing some of this violence at the ladies who made them all violent in the first place.
The majority of violence committed by men, which is encouraged or outright instructed by women, as described above, is committed against other men. Thus for the most part, it can be described as female violence against men, delivered via proxy. …
If, however, these machinations happen to backfire, and a man who has been trained into criminal violence turns on his trainers, who am I to care?
Gosh, men in the “sphere” sure do love to fantasize about ladies getting beaten up by men, don’t they?
Dude, please, go your own fucking way already. The farther you go, the better.
Haha clearly anyone opposed to violently deposing a secular socialist government in the Middle East is COLLUDING with radical Islamists!
“Fibinaci, there is still good in you—I can sense it!”
For realz?
I’m personally curious about exactly what part of radical Islam Black Fedora actually disagrees with.
Under some radical Islamic regimes, women CAN’T say no to “nice guys.” Isn’t that what you all are pushing for?
I’ve found his problem! He doesn’t actually listen. He just tries to use some vague telepathy to “sense” what people think.
Also, yes, the only reason ever to oppose war is because you want the other side to prosper. There are no circumstances in history where going to war has been a huge mistake.
And Afghanistan is not a quagmire.
*bangs head on wall*
Yep, that’s it exactly. Any and all opposition to the US invading countries on the premise of “bring democracy” was because feminists love the taliban. Couldn’t possibly be the US’s habit of going to war for war’s sake, couldn’t possibly be that there were non-war solutions, couldn’t even remotely be that spreading democracy through war is like spreading abstinence through fucking.
/sarcasm
I cannot WAIT for pecunium to play whack a troll on this shit. Not like we’ve been discussing the war(s) over email all week /not-sarcasm
Well, at least this troll manages to be funny now and then. Keep dancing, lemur!
This is yet another great example of the us-vs-them attitude leading to lumping together everything that isn’t you.
I just…how the hell do you go from protesting war to shaming Nice Guys?
We all know logic isn’t Grey Hat’s strong suit, but damn, his ability to shove his head deeper and deeper into his own ass is truly remarkable.
I’ve never said that it was a universal situation because it’s not, but what seems to be universal in the other hand, is groups of women trying to enforce social norms by shaming male sexuality (“if you don’t do as we say, we’ll paint you as a bad potential sex partner”), the social norms depend on the environment, but the shaming tactics, the way these social norms are enforced are the same.
It is always safe to judge someone first, among all things, by his ability to disregard every tentative of bullying coming from a bunch of women because it’s what will determine the rest of his personality as his way to behave in society, it’s what will determine where he’ll stand where a bunch of people lynch someone : with the lynchers because he’s afraid to be excluded from the group, or supporting the lynched one because justice is more important than being called a “pussy” or a “creep”.
That is indeed what is healthy and one can see by reading what Pecunium, Howard Bannister, Bob Goblin and the others feminist allies write, the way they always need to attack other men in order to prove that they’re not creepy, to be accepted by female feminists, to please them, the way they react passively when the female feminists accuse them of not being non-threatening enough, of still having not removed completely in them the noxious influence of their original sin of being a male, the way they, finally, appear to have more violence and neurotic issues than other guys, one can see how your kind of healthy masculinity is harmful for the people who try to adopt it and will be, at the end, harmful for everyone.
Wow. Now we can add horribly racist to fauxfrench, because obviously getting horribly breaten and hung by cheering racist crowds is exactly the same thing as being called a “creep.” Fucking racist asshole.
Brz, please go share your straw men, your disigenuousness, your absurd psychoanalyzing, and your bigotry with your anti-feminist buddies. You’re insufferable. Go away.
See, right here? Where you’re insisting that if Pecunium, Howard Bannister, Bob Goblin, et. al, attack and/or don’t agree with you it’s because they’re trying to impress and be accepted by feminists?
That’s the exact same thing that other assholes do when they insist that any man women find attractive is a “bad boy”. It’s the exact same shallow, self-serving, tautological bullshit.
Is there any chance that they attack your ideas because they find them offensive?
And why am I even bothering to explain this to someone so hell bent on impressing others that they created a fake, foreign exchange student background to explain away a few errors in grammar.
Shorter? You’re a fucking moron too.
I’ve never said that it was a universal situation because it’s not, but what seems to be universal in the other hand, is groups of women trying to enforce social norms by shaming male sexuality
What seems to be universal is groups of women trying…
Which is it, universal, or groups?
Because yeah, there are women who do that. Now got find me some citations to show they are feminists.
That is indeed what is healthy and one can see by reading what Pecunium, Howard Bannister, Bob Goblin and the others feminist allies write, the way they always need to attack other men in order to prove that they’re not creepy,
Typical. It’s not that I believe what I say… no. It’s not that some dudes are sexist assholes, abusive fucks, manipulative bastards or just plain creepy; and that offends me.
Nope, I have to be doing it to impress women; and defensively show that I’m not creepy.
It’s all about me/us being castrated wimps to you, isn’t it? Stupid (male bashing) reductionism.
Dark Chapeau: I really wish these was no truth in the radical Islam/ feminist alliance.
Your wish has been granted.
It was very evident during the ‘stop the war’ marches which were jointly organised. The psychology of these marches seemed to be based upon a form of Nice Guy shaming. The basic concept was that the coalition forces must have some evil intent because nobody wants to bring democracy and prosperity to a nation.
Or it might have been people didn’t believe the putative rationale for the war (you could check out Scott Ritter, Army Col, Weapons Inspector, dude who said the “Saddam is getting nukes/VX/Biological Weapons/Long Range Drones” was all bullshit. Dude who was, yanno, right).
Heck, you could ask me. I was in Military Intel at the time. I was telling people the reasons were bullshit.
You could ask Sen. Robert Byrd, who spent a couple of hours on the floor of the Senate arguing against the AUMF.
You could, you know, look at the facts, instead of the fairy tale of, “Feminist like man-hating religious fanatics” you are spouting here.
(facts like Condoleeza Rice lying abot, “Hussein hasn’t accounted for the yellowcake”, when; in fact, his 12,000 pages of documentation of his weapons systems was fundamentally accurate; and there was no way he could account for the yellowcake; because he didn’t have any: and we fucking knew it.
So saying opposition to the war was all because feminists argglebargle worked with the Taliban (who favored the US invading, because Iraq was damned unfriendly to them, and working against them, but hey, what are facts when you bash feminism?] is… damn, the word is escaping me.
Ah, got it.
Bullshit
Wow. Now we can add horribly racist to fauxfrench, because obviously getting horribly breaten and hung by cheering racist crowds is exactly the same thing as being called a “creep.” Fucking racist asshole.
I used “lynch” in a metaphorical sense but I think you should learn a little bit of the history of your own country, I know history is not your favorite hobby but sometimes it can give you a little bit of sense of perspective : the first people who were lynched in the US weren’t blacks, lynching wasn’t invented because of black people, it was just a part of the Puritan/Calvinist tools your fanatical ancestors used to punish transgressions of the social norms.
It’s safe to say that you guys have a lynching mentality as it is safe to call bullshit on you when you try to use the race card when there’s no real reason to use it.
Funny, I’ve never seen anyone lynched for being anti-feminist. I’ve never seen anyone lynched for being “too masculine”.
You can try (good luck) to say that “women got men lynched because they were men”, but you will be wrong. Men were lynched (and some women too) because that was one of the tools used to keep blacks, “in their place”. The easiest way to get lynched was to be, “uppity” (which included being successful at business, even if you were were selling/dealing with an exclusively black clientele; because being, “better” than a white was a capital offense).
But you are going to compare someone calling a PUA a creep with someone being killed, tortured, and their corpse mocked; with postcards of “the strange fruit which grows around here” being sold as mementoes.
And oddly, they very american thing (both historically, and idiomatically) is the image you reach for.
Again, you are failing at verismilitude.
Brz: I used “lynch” in a metaphorical sense but I think you should learn a little bit of the history of your own country,
More fail. See my comment above as to why.
Pop quiz: When were lynching postcards outlawed in the mail?
For extra credit, when was it enforced?
For double points how do we know about the actual enforcement?
Fuckhead.
Yeah, no. The fact that you know this history, choose to compare lynching to being called creepy simply confirms you’re a fucking racist asshole. But please, do continue to twist yourself into into these knots. Hopefully you’ll get a charlie horse and go the fuck away.
Fucking Racist Asshole FauxFrench.
Since you’re not American *snicker*, let me inform you that when you pull out the word “lynch” among Americans, you’ve already pulled out the race card.
Briznecko: Brzzzt! is pretty much putting paid to the, “French” thing.
The bit about lynching is his way of saying that women are actually in charge; and the shaming, etc. of men is “just like lynching” a way to keep the oppressed men in their place by making public examples of those who step out of line by presuming to act as if they were fully human (by being sexist asshats; because that’s just how men are).
So, by siding with feminists (for the sex, or the head pats, or something) we are taking part in the “metaphoric” lynching of men.
No way in hell is he french. Not with that style of argument about lynching. That’s purely American, and requires cultural knowledge to use in that sort of insinuational method. It’s not something someone who isn’t culturally attuned (which he has assured us he is not) can pull off. It’s polished too, he’s used it before; which means he’s not so lacking in interaction with Americans as he pretends.
Which surprises no one.
…yeah, I know precunium. No explanation needed.
They’re not attacking men for being men, though. They’re attacking men who happen to be assholes for being assholes.
Oops, guess I was replying to a comment a few pages back. Sorry.
Damn. Sorry precunium, I didn’t read what you wrote closely and kinda knee-jerked a response. Ignore my previous comment.