Over on This is Why MGTOW, the blogger who calls himself Cerberus Alpha (dude, seriously?) attempts to answer the question: Why are men more violent?
Rather than attempting to engage with the extensive scholarly literature on the subject, or even making a token effort to do any research on the subject whatsoever, Mr. Alpha instead spins a few familiar manosphere fairy tales into “evidence” that it’s all the fault of those evil sexy ladies and their evil sexy and/or feminist ways.
Young women train violence and criminality into young men. The thug with the shaved head who communicates in grunts is sexually rewarded. The empathetic bookworm is denied if not publicly humiliated if he approaches a girl. So the bookworm puts down the book, gets contacts and a tattoo, bulks up in the gym, and generally acts like an asshole. (Why would he be nice to women any more?) Suddenly, he finds himself showered in pussy. This is how it works. Women’s sexual desires are dark and pathological, and this encourages men to become violent criminals if they want to get laid.
His evidence for this?
Just look at all the Game blogs out there, which teach men how to mimic the frame of the uncaring, alpha criminal without actually breaking the law.
That’s right. Misogynist dude pontificating about ladies cites as evidence … other misogynist dudes pontificating about ladies. THAT’S SCIENCE!
Oh, but the perfidy of the evil violence-causing ladies gets worse! Because they also force men to commit evil violence by, apparently, telling them to do it in sweet sexy voices:
Women’s own violence is committed via proxy (i.e. they get men to do the difficult work of physical coercion), and thus is incorporated into men’s overall violence. That’s pretty smart of women, in a devious and manipulative sort of way. A woman who has a problem with a man (or just wants to see a guy get beaten up, because that kind of sadism makes her tingle) sidles up to her boyfriend and asks so-sweetly if he will ‘do something’ about that guy who’s bothering her. But when the fun is over and the cops show up because someone is leaving the party in an ambulance, it was all his fault, see. She didn’t do a thing. She’s sugar and spice and all things nice.
I think Mr. Alpha here is confusing real life with the TV show Cheaters.
But wait! We haven’t even gotten to the even eviller evils of … FEMINISM.
Since the 1960s, normal male behavior has been increasingly criminalized while criminal female behavior has been increasingly normalized. This process is known as ‘feminism,’ and includes legal restrictions on politically incorrect speech, redefinitions of ‘harassment,’ and so on. This ground has been covered over and over again in the sphere and we don’t need to retread how feminism makes it illegal simply to exist as a man.
Uh, maybe you do need to go over that once more because, well, here’s the thing, I’m a dude, and I’ve never been arrested for being a man. Or even given a warning. And I’m pretty sure there are literally billions of other men on planet earth in the same situation as I am. Are there warrants out for us all?
The flip side is that crimes like abortion and infanticide, for which women were typically held responsible, have been made legal and normalized by feminists.
Really? Could you remind me again when Congress passed the Actual Live Human Baby Killing Is A-OK With Us Act, because I’m pretty sure infanticide isn’t legal or “normalized” in the US or anywhere on this planet. And in the US, at least, abortion rights (not to mention abortion providers) are under pretty much constant attack.
Mr. Alpha also suggests that male violence is just a sort of side effect of men being such hard workers and deep thinkers and shit:
Men commit more crime because men do more of anything, that is apart from self-obsessed complaining. This is the Y-chromosome explanation that radfems are so fond of, except they miss out the part that if there’s no Jack the Ripper then there’s no Einstein either, and it’s kind of hard to be a career grrl if men haven’t invented corporations and desks yet. Men are proactive as women are reactive, which in laymen’s terms means we get shit done.
Also, mammoths, we hunted them to feed you, etc.
Not content to blame male violence on women, Mr. Alpha ends by suggesting that he won’t really mind if some men — wink, wink — wise up and start directing some of this violence at the ladies who made them all violent in the first place.
The majority of violence committed by men, which is encouraged or outright instructed by women, as described above, is committed against other men. Thus for the most part, it can be described as female violence against men, delivered via proxy. …
If, however, these machinations happen to backfire, and a man who has been trained into criminal violence turns on his trainers, who am I to care?
Gosh, men in the “sphere” sure do love to fantasize about ladies getting beaten up by men, don’t they?
Dude, please, go your own fucking way already. The farther you go, the better.
That idiotic “showered in pussy” reminds me of a much better image.
One of Nine Million Reasons Why Cats Are Superior to Dogs
The next time you put on your waterproof togs
And venture outside while it rains cats and dogs,
Ask which you’d rather have land on your noodle:
A cute little cat or a ninety-pound poodle?
– by Ogden Nash’s Cat
I still think it’s funny that MGTOW are taking credit for every building that’s ever been built, just for being men. It reminds me of how George Castanza said “I’ve always wanted to pretend to be an architect”. Never mind how many women are also architects .
Or wait, maybe they’re just careerist bitches stealing jobs from men? But if women don’t do those jobs, then they’re lazy and living off the work done by men. It sure is hard to win with misogynists.
I wonder if MGTOW and MRAs also take responsibility for the shonky buildings that fall down and kill people, or the ones full of asbestos, or the ones just so cheaply built that they’ve developed cracks within a year? (Hello Lakeside building development.)
I daresay all the deaths that can be laid at the door of poor regulations, no regulations, or ignored regulations, have nothing to do with these clowns, even though they built everything evah.
A man was responsible for one of the worst American civil engineering failures of the 20th century and the second-greatest loss of life in California’s history, after the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake and fire.
(I cataloged a bunch of eerily gorgeous photos of the aftermath, is how I know this. I have a weird job.)
Uh-oh. I’m a bookworm who started going to the gym, and I’ve often considered getting a tattoo.
But now I am questioning my life choices. A life of criminal assholery (the inevitable outcome of my path) holds little appeal for me. Maybe I should just go back to hiding in the library and reading Stephen Jay Gould books.
You’re going to the gym? Well, that’s it. All you can do is embrace the assholery and hold on for dear life. 😀
and also get an umbrella for when the pussy showers start…
@becausescience, that summary of the goals of feminism is perfect!
Ah, so that’s the reason I’ve avoided going to the gym so much. I thought I was just lazy, but I guess I was trying to subconsciously save myself from the inevitable life of desperate crime that would follow if I spent too much time there.
my gym is mostly old ladies too. Hmm…
Oh talacaris. You try so hard, and you so badly want to succeed. There there, little guy. One day, you will.
Speaking of far more EFFECTIVE trolls, I ran across one today with the boggling assertion that if you don’t tell your partner whether you’re a virgin or not, you’re raping them. I sure HOPE they were trolling, because if they were truly that much of a doofus, I’d be horrified.
A criminal man was responsible for the collapse of the CTV building during the 2011 Canterbury earthquake. He falsified his engineering credentials and was unqualified to design the building. That building collapse killed a friend of mine.
Gods, what a dreadful thing.
Reminds me of the Tay Bridge disaster – only a tenth of the deaths, but the whole thing was caused by poor engineering, poor supervision during building and absolutely no quality control. Example: the cast-iron girders often came out with big holes in them, which would be filled with Beaumont Egg – a mixture of beeswax, fiddler’s rosin, finest iron borings and lamp black – rather than melted down and recast.
I was referring to the St Francis Dam collapse in that post, btw.
Not telling someone if you’re a virgin or not is raping them? Um … how? Is it rape if you are or you aren’t?
@WeeBoy
So sorry about your friend. Hugs if you want them. I just got woken up this morning by a pretty big earthquake and it was scary, but everything is fine. It just means that earthquakes are on my mind a lot today.
@kittehserf, I was kinda confused until I realized they probably meant leading a man to think he is having sex with a virgin as apposed to an evil festering doomslut is a violation of his honor. Then I realized I’m probably right and got sad 🙁
Color me confused. Since women have power of absolute manipulation over men I find it baffling that there is an attack on reproductive rights in the U.S. Did women forget to adopt the “so sweet” tone when they asked the various legislators to protect their basic human rights?
Gah, you’re probably right, dire sloth. Though since MRAs also think not having sex (for men) is worse than being raped, which is the worse result here – he has sex with an evil festering doomslut (my band name! Mine!) or doesn’t have sex at all?
Oh cripes, if men are such pushovers for women, why did it take so fucking long for the U.S. government to pass a law allowing us to vote? Christ, Russia, New Zeland and Australia had already passed such laws by the early 1900s.
@Kitteh, Don’t let them hear that, or they’ll decide that any woman having sex with anyone but them counts as rape.
(I can hear it now. “Women rape men OVER SIX BILLION TIMES MORE than men rape women!”)
@becausescience
I have no words. Simply, LOL.
@Serrana:
Wouldn’t that actually be: “Pecs or it didn’t happen?”
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@Thread:
Yeah, I came back from the gym earlier. I’ve been trying to put on some weight, since last time I went outside I ended up two counties away following a stiff breeze and had to make my way back home using only my knowledge of astrology, astronomy and a package of crackers.
That’s an unrelated story, my point is this:
I put my gym back down, and immediately realize that it made a much heavier thud than it normally does. Turns out? Over the course of my ride home, my dirty gym clothes metamorphosed or transubstantiated or dimensionally relocated. Instead of my worn pants, I am now the anxious owner of, like, 29 pounds of crack cocaine.
So… uh. Yeah. Manboobz? Would you like some dubiously aphorismic crack cocaine?
Hit me up if you do! I’ve gotta go have a look at this weird blue bruise on my arm shaped like… I guess its a snake twisted around a flaming skull with a diamond eyes and “Muther” written in neat, blocky script.
… Oh come on, did the non-existent deities of gym transformation misspell my criminal tattoo? That’s cheap!
Almost as cheap as the dig at tattoos, gyms and violence.
“showered in pussy”
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e8_1321959229
Flying kitty! 😀
@dire sloth – “@Kitteh, Don’t let them hear that, or they’ll decide that any woman having sex with anyone but them counts as rape.”
Don’t they think that already?
@lightcastle- There was something about the Serrano article that rubbed me the wrong way… and I’m trying to piece through it.
As someone who has dated her fair share of assholes, here’s what I think it is. Women are attracted to confidence, and we are forever trying to find that sweet spot between confident and self-absorbed. As kids, we’re more likely to fail at that, plus there’s an insidious assertion in our society that confident people act like jerks. So we go for the assholes when we are young, because we are told that superficial charm is the same thing as a dude with a good head on his shoulders, sometimes ignoring perfectly confident and comfortable guys with a more quiet sense of confidence. We get older, we wise up. As I think do most people once they are out of their early 20s.
I think that the idea that women choose assholes on purpose is pure sexism. Young women may sometimes have a hard time identifying an asshole at first sight, but that’s not at all the same thing as preferring assholes over pleasant human beings.
Aside from what CassandraSays has pointed out, I had some problems with Serano’s article too.
1. Internalized misogyny is, in fact, a sufficient explanation for why some women and girls are attracted to men and boys they know are jerks. Very often in this culture, women and girls devalue themselves because of internalized misogyny. And this in turn can lower their standards and/or lead them to stay away from men who aren’t assholes because they don’t see nicer men as normal. Really, internalized misogyny
2. Her anecdote about Eric is misleading. In those two years he easily could have been influenced by misogynist rhetoric. Her assertion that he only changed because he wanted to attract women is untenable.
3. She says that the male socialization theory doesn’t account for the fact that most men aren’t abusers and/or harassers and the fact that boys are often exhorted to treat girls nicely. But in truth, the fact that most men and boys aren’t abusers and/or harassers poses no challenge to the theory. Simply put, most men and boys who aren’t abusers and/or harassers either a) receive more positive influences that prevent them from actually becoming abusers and/or harassers or b) cling to benevolent sexist narratives and derive their aversion to the abuse and harassment of women from their benevolent sexist attitudes. Or both.
Honestly, I’m quite disappointed with Serano’s article because I loved Whipping Girl.