Over on This is Why MGTOW, the blogger who calls himself Cerberus Alpha (dude, seriously?) attempts to answer the question: Why are men more violent?
Rather than attempting to engage with the extensive scholarly literature on the subject, or even making a token effort to do any research on the subject whatsoever, Mr. Alpha instead spins a few familiar manosphere fairy tales into “evidence” that it’s all the fault of those evil sexy ladies and their evil sexy and/or feminist ways.
Young women train violence and criminality into young men. The thug with the shaved head who communicates in grunts is sexually rewarded. The empathetic bookworm is denied if not publicly humiliated if he approaches a girl. So the bookworm puts down the book, gets contacts and a tattoo, bulks up in the gym, and generally acts like an asshole. (Why would he be nice to women any more?) Suddenly, he finds himself showered in pussy. This is how it works. Women’s sexual desires are dark and pathological, and this encourages men to become violent criminals if they want to get laid.
His evidence for this?
Just look at all the Game blogs out there, which teach men how to mimic the frame of the uncaring, alpha criminal without actually breaking the law.
That’s right. Misogynist dude pontificating about ladies cites as evidence … other misogynist dudes pontificating about ladies. THAT’S SCIENCE!
Oh, but the perfidy of the evil violence-causing ladies gets worse! Because they also force men to commit evil violence by, apparently, telling them to do it in sweet sexy voices:
Women’s own violence is committed via proxy (i.e. they get men to do the difficult work of physical coercion), and thus is incorporated into men’s overall violence. That’s pretty smart of women, in a devious and manipulative sort of way. A woman who has a problem with a man (or just wants to see a guy get beaten up, because that kind of sadism makes her tingle) sidles up to her boyfriend and asks so-sweetly if he will ‘do something’ about that guy who’s bothering her. But when the fun is over and the cops show up because someone is leaving the party in an ambulance, it was all his fault, see. She didn’t do a thing. She’s sugar and spice and all things nice.
I think Mr. Alpha here is confusing real life with the TV show Cheaters.
But wait! We haven’t even gotten to the even eviller evils of … FEMINISM.
Since the 1960s, normal male behavior has been increasingly criminalized while criminal female behavior has been increasingly normalized. This process is known as ‘feminism,’ and includes legal restrictions on politically incorrect speech, redefinitions of ‘harassment,’ and so on. This ground has been covered over and over again in the sphere and we don’t need to retread how feminism makes it illegal simply to exist as a man.
Uh, maybe you do need to go over that once more because, well, here’s the thing, I’m a dude, and I’ve never been arrested for being a man. Or even given a warning. And I’m pretty sure there are literally billions of other men on planet earth in the same situation as I am. Are there warrants out for us all?
The flip side is that crimes like abortion and infanticide, for which women were typically held responsible, have been made legal and normalized by feminists.
Really? Could you remind me again when Congress passed the Actual Live Human Baby Killing Is A-OK With Us Act, because I’m pretty sure infanticide isn’t legal or “normalized” in the US or anywhere on this planet. And in the US, at least, abortion rights (not to mention abortion providers) are under pretty much constant attack.
Mr. Alpha also suggests that male violence is just a sort of side effect of men being such hard workers and deep thinkers and shit:
Men commit more crime because men do more of anything, that is apart from self-obsessed complaining. This is the Y-chromosome explanation that radfems are so fond of, except they miss out the part that if there’s no Jack the Ripper then there’s no Einstein either, and it’s kind of hard to be a career grrl if men haven’t invented corporations and desks yet. Men are proactive as women are reactive, which in laymen’s terms means we get shit done.
Also, mammoths, we hunted them to feed you, etc.
Not content to blame male violence on women, Mr. Alpha ends by suggesting that he won’t really mind if some men — wink, wink — wise up and start directing some of this violence at the ladies who made them all violent in the first place.
The majority of violence committed by men, which is encouraged or outright instructed by women, as described above, is committed against other men. Thus for the most part, it can be described as female violence against men, delivered via proxy. …
If, however, these machinations happen to backfire, and a man who has been trained into criminal violence turns on his trainers, who am I to care?
Gosh, men in the “sphere” sure do love to fantasize about ladies getting beaten up by men, don’t they?
Dude, please, go your own fucking way already. The farther you go, the better.
So the texture experiment was a success? 🙂
Indeed! Everything at that place is good, but the oat scones are particularly impressive, at least today. Either that or my ancestors are prodding me towards our historical diet as compensation for the Thai food I had for lunch.
Oat scones do sound tasty. Have you tried the walnut shortbread yet?
Pecunium — lol, if you want to turn this into a multi-thousand word convo, add it to the running set of email convos, I’m game! But yeah, I knew I was going for the super simple version, but didn’t want to totally speak for you (and frankly, I’m not sure I can reconcile your religious beliefs with what I was taught, but this is not the forum for that)…Falwell, yeah… So, you know the born again type, I know you do I saw your LJ post while digging for the 9/11 stuff, that’s how I was raised. So like, the opposite and equally ass version of Falwell — works are moot because all you have to do is “welcome Jesus into your heart” and POOF! And oh boy does that turn them into assholes.
I had a point, I swear…ah, right! Works don’t matter and exact works are required are just as bad as they both allow for judgmental asshole behavior. So either way (or, of course, no afterlife // not cast in stone by earthly deeds) why the fuck not do the best you can? Either your simply screwed, or no possible harm can befall you for, say, fighting for gay marriage.
Of course, I have my own thousand word essay on my issues with born again Christians and this is officially into “take it to email you two!”
Re: fabric materialism, texturism, etc — Vampire the Masquerade would just lump that all as the toreador “entranced by art and beauty”. Give me two min to google something, as white wolf based it on a real thing, but my iPad will steal this comment if I go digging through too many other pages!
Yep. It’s good, but not as good.
RE: pecunium
I love it when you quote Biblical history in my presence. This only reminds me I need to learn more of it.
Anyone else find Truthteller oddly self-congratulatory? I mean, dude, you’re filling the same niche that such folks as Fedora do. I’m not sure that’s a purpose I’d want to hang onto.
Do you put anything on your scones? I always want to like scones, but find most of them too dry.
Here we go! Stendhal syndrome aka “too beautiful, gonna faint”
Which may be because I’ve never had a really GOOD scone.
If they’re made British-style they’re not dry, although you can still put jam on them if you want. One of the reasons I like oat scones better is that they’re more moist. (Treacle scones are, too.)
@LBT – “Anyone else find Truthteller oddly self-congratulatory? I mean, dude, you’re filling the same niche that such folks as Fedora do. I’m not sure that’s a purpose I’d want to hang onto.”
Totally. He’s like Uriah Heep, playing the ‘umble game but soooo smug about it.
@cloudiah – just what I wanted to ask! All the scones I ever have are very dry (intentionally, afaik) and usually give me hiccups even when they’re slathered in jam and whipped cream. /drool
I really like the thought of oatmeal scones, warm, with a big chunk of butter on.
Okay, I’m adding the Cheese Board in Berkeley to my list of places to visit next time I’m in Berkeley. I may be up there for a week for a workshop on historic maps, but only if I can get my employer to pay for it!
On my vacation, I taught my friend’s 5-year-old daughter how to cure her hiccups, and she thought I was like a magician or something. She was telling waiters about it in restaurants. “I had the hiccups and SHE FIXED THEM.” Cutest thing ever.
RE: Argenti
I feel absurdly proud of myself that I know what Stendhal Syndrome is because it was elucidated on in one of my favorite superhero comics.
This is only proof that I read awesome comics.
@ cloudiah
A different type of vegetarian pizza with seasonal ingredients every day! Tasty baked goods! Excellent coffee! The Gourmet Ghetto is awesome.
I’ve never seen someone reach this hard:
“It was very evident during the ‘stop the war’ marches which were jointly organised. The psychology of these marches seemed to be based upon a form of Nice Guy shaming. The basic concept was that the coalition forces must have some evil intent because nobody wants to bring democracy and prosperity to a nation. This is identical to the way kind and decent men are treated. Feminists seem to find it impossible to believe that a man could actually like or care for women. He must be an evil Nice Guy! Destroy him!!”
And the narcissism…all global problems are about his unfortunate love life.Yep. OK. It never fails to disgust me when someone turns feminism into a boogeyman (boogeywoman?). For some odd reason, I never developed a callus.
cloudiah: Yes, you need to go to the Cheese Board. I can arrange for you to have a tour-guide (my former housemate, Best Housemate EVAH!).
I’ve found that eating popcorn cures the hiccups, at least mine, anyway. What’s your cure, cloudiah?
LBT — you make excellent comics, seems only fitting that you read them!
Shiraz — in my initial rad of that dreck I missed the Nice Guy thing somehow. So who’s the Nice Guy here? Bush? Cheney? One of the others who should be tried for war crimes?
(Oh goodness pecunium, my mother started trying to justify Abu Ghraib and gitmo with how we where angry, my attempts at “and that’s no excuse” got met with “go hang those invoices, I want to get out of here”…yes mother I’ll go do your job for free lunch instead of lecturing you on ethics. All the irony)
pecunium, I may take you up on that.
Shiraz, I find the secret is to hold your breath while swallowing 5 or 6 times, usually with water or another liquid of choice. Works every time for me.
RE: Argenti
Don’t even get me started! I just finished reading a really kicking mental health memoir comic by Ellen Forney called ‘Marbles,‘ about a queer woman dealing with being bipolar and the concept of the mad genius. It was GREAT; I might actually have to buy it!
RE: cloudiah
I beat hiccups by filling my lungs and holding my breath, no swallowing required. Then again, I discovered that a few years of playing the bassoon pretty much cured me of hiccups. I hardly ever get them now.
Huh, OK, cloudiah. Never tried that before.
Hey, Argenti. You posted:
“Shiraz — in my initial rad of that dreck I missed the Nice Guy thing somehow. So who’s the Nice Guy here? Bush? Cheney? One of the others who should be tried for war crimes?”
I think Fedora was implying the Nice Guys were the U.S. troops trying to bring social rest to the middle east. I mean, I’m guessing — I’m not wearing a tinfoil hat so…
Oh LBT, I meant to ask you, did you hear there’s a new novel out about a female golem and a Syrian jinni on the streets of NY in 1899? It sounded kind of interesting. Author is Helene Wecker.
Apologies if I am mis-remembering and you’re not the person who is intrigued by golems.
RE: cloudiah
I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THIS. What’s the title? I am a HUGE golem geek, and female golems so much the better! Also the book just sounds really cool in itself.