So the manosphere blogger who calls himself The Red Pill Theorist has managed to work himself into a tizzy over a Wall Street Journal piece by a woman who — gasp! — froze some of her eggs in her 30s in order to give her more time in which to find the right guy with whom to have kids.
In her op-ed, titled “Why I Froze My Eggs (And You Should, Too),” Sarah Elizabeth Richards wrote:
Between the ages of 36 and 38, I spent nearly $50,000 to freeze 70 eggs in the hope that they would help me have a family in my mid-40s, when my natural fertility is gone. For this baby insurance, I obliterated my savings and used up the money my parents had set aside for a wedding. It was the best investment I ever made.
Egg freezing stopped the sadness that I was feeling at losing my chance to have the child I had dreamed about my entire life. It soothed my pangs of regret for frittering away my 20s with a man I didn’t want to have children with, and for wasting more years in my 30s with a man who wasn’t sure he even wanted children. It took away the punishing pressure to seek a new mate and helped me find love again at age 42.
I have a lot of reactions to this op-ed, ranging from “damn that’s a lot of money” to “that’s kind of a sad way to look at your past relationships” to “congratulations to you, I guess, but I don’t think this is really a solution to the work-life dilemma faced by most working would-be-moms.” (See here and here for discussions of this latter issue that are a lot more informed than my gut reaction.)
The Red Pill Theorist had, well, a different reaction, worrying that egg freezing could become a “grrlpower-enabling” technology, much like the birth control pill before it, and predicting that evil Democrats will soon demand that it be covered by Medicaid.
His real worry? That egg freezing will allow women to have sex with a variety of men into their 30s and even — gasp! — their 40s without “settling down” with the hardworking betas who’ve been waiting patiently on the sidelines for a chance to score a little nookie with the ladies before these ladies get completely old and ugly.
If women begin freezing their eggs en-masse at thirty, and embark upon fifteen more years of debauchery, watch out. The current trend of beta misery, female misery, and alpha ecstasy is only going to get worse. Now 30-35 year olds with a lick of sense leap off the carousel with all the alacrity they can muster. But what if they don’t have to? They’ve got frozen eggs, and early-thirties women can be decent looking. There’s going to be a massive increase in the supply of female sexuality in the dating market. We all saw how well that worked out for women in the sixties.
The Red Pill Theorist imagines that somehow these gals will manage to stick those poor, pitiful, endlessly used and abused beta schlubs with the bill:
In the future, there won’t just be divorce-rape. There will be pre-divorce rape. Crafty college gals will extract financial resources from their beta boyfriends to freeze their eggs, and then unhaapyness will set in, and the beta will be stuck with the bill.
His grand conclusion:
Egg freezing is one more brick in the wall of total sexual marketplace deregulation. Bit by bit, the chains that once encircled the hypergamic beast are falling away. There’s never been a better time for men with options, never been a worse time for men without them. … It’s the next sexual revolution, except this time, women 30-40 will get to have some ill-advised fun.
Imagine that. Women in their 30s and 40s. Having fun. The horror!
Not to mention that he doesn’t seem to have specified which culture(s) he’ll be profiling. If we’re talking about gender relations (also not yet defined) on a global scale, information gleaned only from English-speaking message boards will hardly be representative. If he’s attempting to limit it to the US, he’ll need to ferret out which commenters are not from here so their replies don’t skew his results. But even within the US, there’s a great deal of variation, which probably won’t produce the “one true answer” he seems to be looking for.
But guys… he is going to explain Da Universal TROOF! It won’t matter what culture people are from, nor what level of self-selection/limits are on the collection of data… because TROOF!
If I were a more cynical person I would say his research is really a search for confirmation bias supporting comments.
But that would be petty, and small minded.
@because science
So glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that XD I am now trying to imagine how a ‘boner share’ would work…
And I am unwisley respond to what ProPatria said days earlier because I fail keeping up on manboobz forever.
Why?
Gosh secularism that would be horrible. Also, you may want to touch up on your definition of most.
Well, I’ll give you a micron of a brownie for admitting birth control would be necessary for that, and half a micron for coming out and admitting to anti choice. You’re still a shitstain though. Don’t worry, we won’t try to tell you what to do with your body and you don’t tell us what to do with ours, okay cupcake?
True nature? lol. Okay, good luck dude.
Well, I’m not surprised she was an anti-feminist.
Oxymoron.
All the secondeds.
@kittehs
Everyone should ask this to anti-choice people. It bugs me so fucking much (the anti-choiceness).
QFT. You guys were all being so awesome while I was gone…
Moderate isn’t (necessarily) a good thing. Just because more people (in America it seems at the moment) are pro-life doesn’t mean it’s right. It just means it’s common.
I’ll give you this: that actually does sound fascinating, in the point and laugh way.
Yes, ProPatria, women are in fact, not a hive mind.
Hahahahahahahahhahahaha ::DIes laughing:: Dude, if you’re going to say lots of, you’re going to need a fucking citation. That doesn’t come from your ass, kthnxbye.
You aren’t defending their freedom. You’re just trying to control the rest of us.
And this is too long, so I’ll post it. Sorry if I’m necroing a dead thread…just behind :/
Adding on to what is said here…
Moderate doesn’t necessarily mean a good thing. I bet lots of moderates thought women were just being extreme for wanting the vote, dang it, and why can’t they compromise?
Just because a lot of people think a thing doesn’t make it a good thing.
And yeah, I have no patience for pro-forced-birthers. I’m like this ready to ask people “well, if you’re pro “life” are you also pro forcing people to give organ donations? Because if you are you are creepy and do not respect people’s autonomy, and if you aren’t you are creepy and do not respect people’s autonomy and also an enormous hipocrite”
/touched a nerve; I hate pro “lifers”
YES
@MordsithJ
YMMV. I’m squicked out by the idea of spiders in cereal, but don’t really mind weevils, which used to get in allllll our cereal two moves ago. They’re small, and not really a bother. ::shrugs::
God I’m probably too used to eating bugs unintentionally.
@cassandrasays
KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE MOTHS THEY ARE SO CREEPY THIS IS ONE OF THE CREEPIEST THINGS EVER!
/panic.
@cloudiah
You have. ::shudders too::
@propatria
Cute. I don’t know much about economy shit, but you don’t get to tell people what to do with their own fucking bodies.
kthnxbye,dont forget to step on a lego on your way out.
“I will say this, but I will not make an actual point on why I think this because…wow look at the timeIhavetogogoodbyenow!”
@Argenti Aertheri
I am too tired to make sense of this comment, but something tells me I like it…
@Deoridhe
More QFT!
@ProPatria
Why?
That’s because, again, abortions happen in peoples bodies. I don’t know much about the rest, but I’ll share my take on it:
If you have someone asking “well why do we tell people what to do with taxes if not abortions?” that’s kinda different. Yeah, some people are going to use the stuff taxes goes to more than others, but try funding a road without them. Lots of parts of society we depend on each other for. You don’t depend on other people to…have babies? There is no shortage of babies. I may be arguing a strawman, though, because I have no fucking clue what you’re on.
Whatever you say, bub. Also, this is relevant how?
…This seems like something that one troll would say. What was his name? Drunk mensa test person?
Gonna post this now cuz I just had a scare that my computer turned off…Just went into sleep though.
Marie — the comment about summoning pecunium because witches can summon demons is based on a twitter convo we had about, of all things, it being rainy. He won’t melt => demon; I hate it => witch. Witches can summon demons, ergo I can summon pecunium.
And/or I can control his mind through my magical powers of mind control conferred by being pro-choice. Either way.
(In reality, I have his email addy, but that’s so mudane and boring, the members of the Royal Assassins should have some magically link to the knight in charge of us — Sir Pecunium)
Pecunium — you have the magic the gendering cards handy? Can you post them?
Ugh. Yes. All of this.
Emilygoddess, do you mind if I steal this if I have to get in one of these conversations in meatspace 😀
@Argenti Artheri
So that why… 😉
There’s an awful lot of (understandable – I don’t like insects in my food either) insect hate going on in these comments. As an insect enthusiast, I’d like to offer some gorgeous beetles to balance out the fear.
I found one of these last fall. They’re a beautiful metallic blue, and really stunning in person. (Don’t pick them up, though. They’re not aggressive, but they’re called blister beetles for a reason.)
The smaller one is the male. Poor guy. Another victim of feminism, no doubt.
@Argenti
There’s a post about them in the forum, it’s the sticky in the “Whatever” subforum. Ami’s card’s are here in her photobucket, if you’re specifically looking for Pecunium’s card it should be on the second page.
There is at least one other card on the forum made by BlackBloc, and I also made a few that can be seen either on the forum or on my imageshack page.
I stole it from a bumper sticker, so go for it!
Page four just noticed Pecunium’s apropos use of “truthiness”. It’s perfect for ProPatria.
I actually have two cards… in that I am said to be the Master of the Royal Assassins. It was very chuffing.
Thanks Myoo!
And anything you can do he can do better…except sew 😉 (you know, come the zombie apocalypse, you’re going to need me arround so you don’t all freeze to death running around naked!)
@EmilyGoddess
Sweet 😀
@Argenti Aertheri
So many of you guys’ll be useful in the zombie apocalypse, and the only thing I’m really qualified for is making fancy-ish cakes, stopping fights between little kids, and some (hopefully not) misremembered karate I had to stop b/c of back pain.
But I will bring guiinneeeeeaaaa ppiiiiiggggssss.
Speaking of which, if I ask my mom to email me a pic or two I can finally show you guys them! 😀 Not good quality pics though, but they were taken from her phone…
“stopping fights between little kids”
Said like that isn’t needed for the survival of the species XD
Though really, being a decent person is quite enough. But yes, pics please!!!
And cakes! We will need cakes after the zombie apocalypse! But in any case, Argenti is correct that being a decent person is enough, and you more than qualify on that front Marie.
@Argenti
😀 I’ll ask my mom to email me them after lunch. (Which, in my time zone, lunchtime is right now.)
Guinea pig pics available now! http://myhumblebadfanart.tumblr.com/post/51981485853/these-are-my-guinea-pigs-sprite-and-kendra-sprite
(I was lazy, just put them all on tumblr cuz it’s easier than imgur) 😀
*boops Marie’s guinea pigs* such cute little faces! Boop!
*sends internet pets to maries cute guinea pigs*
Sprite and Kendra are super adorable, furry little potatoes.
@Marie: Such adorable guinea pigs! Squeeeeee!
Come the zombie apocalypse, I’ll be the one to come to for alcohol! I make the greatest wine ever, and decent harder liquors too. I can also sing and play the guitar quite well, and I’ll be able to run fairly entertaining D&D or Call of Cthulhu campaigns while we’re waiting for the horde to pass by our hiding place.
…oh my Shub-Niggurath. I’m the bard of the adventuring party.
Elan — “I’m being helpful!”
If you read Order of the Stick you’ll know that he really was very helpful very recently. Cuz sometimes you need a bard!
Haha. Glad you guys enjoyed them, since I made you wait so long* ::blushes::
*on accident, just to clarify.