I realize that I may be the only one who’s really all that interested in sectarian infighting amongst the MRAs, but an old friend of ours has weighed in on the recent battles over the A Voice for Men satellite group MRA London, and I’ve learned some interesting things as a result.
The old friend? Tom Martin, the British MRA who famously lost an anti-male discrimination lawsuit against the London School of Economics and who is well known around these parts for his beliefs that 97% of female humans are whores, 100% of female penguins are whores, hard chairs are misandry, and that [TRIGGER WARNING FOR CHILD RAPE APOLOGIA] “pedophiles who pay children for sex are not really rapists, because the child consents, then performs the act, indicating they understand the nature of the contract.”
Martin used to be a regular troll around these parts, making himself (and the Men’s Rights movement that supported him in his crusade against the LSE) look worse and worse with each comment he posted, until he became too repetitively obnoxious and I banned him.
Apparently he went on to have a bit of a run as a commenter at A Voice for Men, the self-described men’s human rights site that hosts an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its activism section. But he was banned there too. Not for his misogyny. Not for justifying child rape. But for being … too feminist???
No, really. All this happened some time ago, apparently. But AVFM’s Dean Esmay recently unbanned him to let him post his thoughts about the MRA London fracas, and this exchange happened.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Tom was able to figure out pretty quickly that we hated him, and it wasn’t so much because of the whole “male wanting to be treated as a human being” thing so much as his “inability to treat females as human beings” thing. But as we know, the inhabitants of AVFM don’t really live in what most of us on planet earth recognize as reality.
In any case, if you want to wrap up your Memorial Day with some utterly surreal reading (non-USians can ignore this bit), I suggest you take a look at the rest of the AVFM thread from that point on. You will see DriverSuz describe Martin as a “male enabler” of feminism. And you will see Martin himself describe himself as a “feminist MRA,” and offer this strange semi-endorsement of feminists as potential dates:
[W]hen you’ve dated and screened thousands of women for potential dates, you get to realize, its the ones identifying as feminists who are the ones least likely to be gold-digging whores looking for an early retirement off the man’s toil. …
I follow the money, which is why I am a feminist MRA.
The money the state disproportionately allots to over-screechy victim-feminist wheels is wrong, and needs to be fixed, but pales into insignificance compared to the over-screechiness an anti-feminist traditionalist woman has lined up for any man unlucky enough to cohabit with her. A feckless housewife wannabe is far more a financial burden than an ill-informed egalitarian identifying as feminist who can be corrected on which sex owes the other money.
Tom Martin, such a romantic!
“Really- how is anything Tom says different from mainstream feminism?”
Oh come now, you posted that statement without any citations or examples. It makes me suspect that you can’t. *snicker* But then again, you’ve demonstrated repeatedly that you don’t know what feminism is, so…
*Sees headline*
*facepalms*
Seriously, AVFM? Seriously?
*Returns to actual article*
Whoops, missed it.
Any way.
How many men in the friend zone does it take to change a light bulb?
None.. They just stand around and compliment it then complain when it won’t screw.
Effective lulz trolling requires a certain amount of subtlety. There’s only so far you can push the suspension of disbelief before people realize what you’re doing, dummy.
And Yoyo comes along and make giggle…tee-hee.
Heh! Kittehs, you’re totally right. He has his back turned, but his ears go up every time I look at him. I know he’ll miss the unsupervised, un-collared time he had out at the farm, but he’s totally a middle-aged cat now, and I worried about him.
The manosphere double period makes it art.
Seconded.
@Theblackfedora
Besides his blatant misogyny, thinking all women are whores, and, oh yeah, his fucking pedophilia shtick? God other than all the political differences, we are one and the same!
PS, this is your claim, so fucking back it up.
Oh, Tommyboy… tiiiiiiiiny kernel of truth (that feminists by and large support female economic independence) buried in a heaping shitton of fail. And when that tiny kernel of truth gets you banned by your cronies, well, you know there’s something wrong when Tom Martin is the slightly more reasonable one in the debate.
Thank Shiraz. Your namesake in the grapeish department makes me giggle as well.
I hope Tom is suffering much literal butthurt, especially of the hard wooden chair variety.
Oh, and Yoyo, excellent work re: jokes. Please have a freshly baked internet in the flavor of your choosing!
“Thank Shiraz. Your namesake in the grapeish department makes me giggle as well.”
*salute gesture* Yoyo, shiraz is what I was drinking when I first discovered this place. *shrug* 😉
M Dubz, blush and curtsy. My flavour is grand marnier but I’m more likely to end up with passion pop.
“How many men in the friend zone does it take to change a light bulb?
None.. They just stand around and compliment it then complain when it won’t screw.”
am totally ded of laughing
Don’t you think this London calling fight in the mras is funny? It’s like watching the members of Fred phelps cult argue about who is more theologically correct. In the end they’re a total bunch of tools that should be avoided by all rational people.
Nice one!
“You’re positively radiant! Dazzling! Glowing!”
Asshat, we know you’re screwing with us because it is impossible for someone to actually be as dense as you are. Pretty entertaining few threads though, thanks for helping me put off my term paper for another day.
Ps I’m sorry if someone else has already mentioned this but wasn’t last week a kick in the face for male supremacists? We had the brave women in England who talked down the soldiers’ killers and saved on lookers. Secondly we have the school teachers in Moore who sheltered children with their own bodies…..and not a bonbon in sight!
They got mentioned in passing, Yoyo – nary an answer about either from the trolls, of course. I daresay they’re off thinking up ways in which what those women did wasn’t heroic, wasn’t even adequate, and how the murderers and the tornado were either inspired by feminism or actual feminists themselves.
*Sticks fingers in ears, loudly talks about men who died for their girlfriends in the Aurora theater shooting, pretends that self-sacrifice is the unique burden of men and is therefore oppression*
Yep Tulgey and Kittehserf, because nothing says males are always braver than a totally made up myth about the men on the titanic. PS there’s some very sad reading from the us (on memorial day) about the large number of female ex soldiers who end up homeless. Plus more than 30% had been rapped by their co-workers. Yep, men have the monopoly on braveness. …sigh..
Raped not rapped of course. Damn auto correct!
David Futrelle
So Basically Tom Martin was banned from a Vioce for Men for not being sexist enough. That’s like someone being kicked off of Storm Front for not hating blacks and Jews enough, or someone being kicked of off Jihad Watch for not hating Muslims enough.
@leftwingfox
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Holy hell… I thought I just got a tetanus shot. Did the hospital shoot me up with acid instead? Tom “Saudi Arabia is a feminist utopia of whoredom” Martin is banned by MRAs as too feminist? The Black Fedora agrees with that assessment? What kind of pills am I taking?
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Wow. I’m having trouble believing he actually said that, even after I checked out the link David kindly provided to us, where he points out where he actually said that. If he thinks Saudi Arabia is a Matriarchy, I’d hate to see what he’d think a patriarchy would look like.
@David Futrelle,
I just changed to my twitter account, now that I realized I could. I think I’ll use this one from now on, assuming you don’t mind.
Are we still playing “how to blame feminism”? Because… (warning, serious bigotry ahead)
“how the murderers and the tornado were either inspired by feminism or actual feminists themselves”
1) feminists support the things Muslims hate, if women just wore burqas it wouldn’t have happened
2) ask WBC, they’re blaming “corrupt morals” for “god’s punishment”. So, women working and divorce and *gasp* gay marriage!
It’s one of those days I wish I didn’t understand that sort of “logic”