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Dating guru Alex Matlock: Sex with women who fear you and push you away might not be much fun

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Protip: This does not mean “yes.”

So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”

I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”

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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.

Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.

In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.

MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.

The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.

Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.

I don’t really have anything else to say.

Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:

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augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

…and anti Semitic bigotry is no more acceptable when directed to the wrong target.

But I thought anyone the Southern Poverty Law Center calls out was worthy of support? Surely you knew that the SPLC watched anti-Semitic groups?

emilygoddess
11 years ago

But I thought anyone the Southern Poverty Law Center calls out was worthy of support? Surely you knew that the SPLC watched anti-Semitic groups?

IKR? Like a guy who just came out in support of the Klan gets to lecture anyone else on racism.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

Why is it so hard to believe that a man should have a higher purpose in life than seeking the approval of women? I simply do not see why this notion should scare people!

Why is it so hard for you to believe that respecting women is not about seeking their approval? And that no one is asking you to seek their approval?

@hellkell

just because you say your awful shit nicely, it doesn’t make it less awful.

THIS.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

I’m so confused. We were less politically correct during the World Wars and because of that we… won? So because we’re now more PC we will lose wars? Being PC means you casually disregard physic theories? I know Einstein was responsible for building the Chrono Device, but that was in Red Alert 1-2, and that’s not reality, that’s a game, but at least in that one, it makes sense.. but… I’m just so confused.

Just.

I mean.

If Einstein went back in time to kill Hitler before Hitler could rise to power, and this instead caused Soviet Russia to expand its borders massively, triggering The First Great War, how do we know that we’re PC enough to shame someone for their ethnicity? What amount of mammoth thanks will we need to conquer the British long range bombardment ships, and how will we manage to find the correct amount to put between that and shaming the soldiers that die for not being manly enough to suck on a flame thrower and live?

@Emilygoddess:

No, never. I just get… upset at trying to respond to trolls using normal language and words and they always seem so self righteously sanctimonious that rhyming is more fun. Maybe I should look into poetry slam’s? Could be fun, think I will. Any information on that you think I should know?
(Topic change away from Fedora! Smooth)

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

In completely unrelated news, I can’t tell if my cat is snoring or farting, but either way it’s adorable.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

It is all about morality really. The political left believe morality to be relative- or to put it another way- different rules apply to us.

Not only are you unaware of the countless leftist moral objectivists out there, but you also fail to even understand what moral relativism actually is.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

The conversation is over.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

lol

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

No. No stick around. Keep going. Tell me about PC values, Einstein, The Chrono Device, Mother Russia’s Rise, Relativist Morals, The Grand Alliance and the Iranian Rad-Troopers. Tell me about Yuri’s plans. Tell me about omni-value morality.

This conversation is so far from over I can’t even begin to comprehend the end.

emilygoddess
11 years ago

@Fedorka but I want to hear why you support the KKK!

@Fibinachi no clue about the poetry slam scene, but I have enjoyed some spoken-word videos/albums and your poem looked like it would work well aloud.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Aw, Black Asshat think he gets to dictate conversational terms. How adorable.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Fib, I have no knowledge of whatever conspiracy theory you are spouting.and so cannot comment on them. I am generally a conspiracy skeptic.

If you would like to continue with the sensation of pleasant outrage I have my own blog.

http://the-black-fedora.blogspot.co.uk/ and I am sure you will find much to trigger you here.

My point remains however. Both men and women are born with varying degrees of physical attractiveness. This is just the way things are.

People who lack skills with the opposite sex will want to attain them. There is nothing creepy in giving the underdog a fair chance. In fact teaching men to be attractive actually does women a favor!

I believe on a basic level that everyone deserves a chance to better themselves. If they are poor they deserve the chance to make some money by hard work. If they lack social skills they should learn them.

There is the tendency on the left to want to keep people down. Left wingers are generally wealthy and are quite happy the way things are. They do not realize that the poor becoming a little less poor will not make them any less wealthy themselves.

This is why I favor free markets. It gives the small guy a chance.

It is also why I favor self help movements. So what if a man is shy? Let him work at improving himself. He deserves a chance.

The left generally opposes self improvement for the same reason they oppose economic improvement. It seems to threaten their status as the cool crowd. In fact it simply makes the cool crowd larger.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Dude, you really don’t get either free markets or why PUA is bunk.

No one here is against self-improvement. PUA is not that.

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

I thought the conversation was over.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Me too, but they never can stick a flounce.

Marie
11 years ago

@jackie

Also, I realize body shaming may not be the answer, but has anyone not noticed that Doosh B is EXTREMELY UGLY!

You’re right, shaming is not the answer. And the problem isn’t him being ugly, it’s him being a fucking rapist.

You don’t appear to have realized any such thing. Frankly, if the first thing you want to criticize about a blatant rape advocate is how you don’t find them attractive, your priorities are fucked.

QFT.

@Argenti Aertheri

And men with lazy eyes should be spat on, right?

(Yes I’m extra cynical today, I blame insomnia and way too little sleep)

My brother has eyes that don’t point the same direction. (Idk how to explain. Like reverse cross eyed? They look slightly out instead of in on each other). He’s tall though. I wonder what his future dating life would be like in mra land.

@the black fedora

Many women get too much attention from men but they would find getting no attention even worse

Wrong. I’d so prefer no attention, and I haven’t even been bombarded by it a lot. But I would take no attention over creeps (fucking shaming language, mother fuckers! says mras) hitting on me when my mom’s trying to pay for our breakfast. And yes she was right there. And they guy (who was as old as her dad) still did it. And he fucking worked there. My only regret is I didn’t cuss his ass out.

Believe it or not, being a woman (or read as a woman) does not mean you want any attention from men at all.

Yeeeesssss!!!!! QFT. There are so many fucking reasons one could not want attention from men: not attracted to men, not interested, in relationship, wanting to fucking get food/ walk down the street without attention from men. God, just fucking living, and a large majority of people don’t want all that unwarranted attention trying to get through life.

I hope that made sense, tired + angry doesn’t work that well :/

@the black fedora

I am not a PUA I am a MGHOW.

So you’re one of those guys who whines about how they’re going to go their own way but never actually leaves?

Why is it so hard to believe that a man should have a higher purpose in life than seeking the approval of women?

It’s…it’s not hard to believe. You are arguing with a strawperson here.

And I’m going to post this comment though I’m not caught up because I’m super distracted and don’t want to forget.

Radical Parrot
11 years ago

Time for another installation of Troll to English translations.

“You have simply found a guy that you consider lacking in social skills and who maybe says things that should be politely hidden” Translation: “Rape is just a hilarious misunderstanding and doesn’t really hurt anyone! God, I’m a monster.”

“[T]he[sic] [you] decided to pick on him because of his foreign appearance.” Translation: “I can’t read.”

“This is no more than school yard name calling done behind the safety of a computer screen.” Translation: “I can do projection, me.”

“Feminism and the political left have become no more than a vehicle for the persecution of all who do not fit in.” Translation: “I wanna be the minority! I don’t need your authority! Down with the moral majority, ’cause I wanna be the minority!”

“I am generally a conspiracy skeptic.” Translation: See previous entry.

“This is why I favor free markets. It gives the small guy a chance.” Translation: “Staying on topic and making sense is overrated anyway.”

“Left wingers are generally wealthy and are quite happy the way things are.” Translation: “Citation needed.”

“The conversation is over.” Translation: “LALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALA”

Seriously, Asshat, you have been tried and found wanting. Your lack of critical thinking, reading comprehension skills, and basic human decency won’t earn you points with anyone. Go your own fucking way already.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

@The Black Fedora:

Sorry, my bad. Sometimes I get confused about whether or whether not PC attitudes influence the Great War, but I think the chrono legionnaires are out to fix it at this moment anyway.

No harm, no foul.

How nice, though. The poor deserve the chance to make their situation better by hard work. The unattractive can learn how to be attractive! The outcast come home with the right set of skills. I mean, so long as they do it on their own time.

That’s very magnamonious of you. Very grand.

I like Roosh, not because I think him the greatest gift to womankind or even because I envy his relatively modest achievements with women. It is because it is pure escapism of reading him.

Plus anyone the SPLC hates must be worthy of support.

or

… who maybe says things that should be politely hidden and the decided to pick on him because of his foreign appearance. This is no more than school yard name calling done behind the safety of a computer screen.

It’s almost like you like having opinions with thin veneers of amicibility spread over like butter across bread, hiding the sludge beneath.

Let’s politely hide the rape apologia. If I say out right I think leftists are spineless cowards with no integrity, someone might be upset.

@Black Fedora:

You’ve confused being polite with being a person. You appear to be mistaking serious for sanctimonious.

Please stop.

Marie
11 years ago

@the black fedora

The fact that they claim themselves to be oppressed therefore gives them freedom to behave as they do- threats of violence, body shaming (threatening to punch a man in the face because his nose is too large ext). All of these things are found on this thread.

…by one person who like practically everyone else has told to cut that shit out. Now tell me where the fuck people on Roosh’s blog are telling him to not be a fucking rapist. God you are a shitstain of humanity, and there are not enough legos for you to step on.

@emilygoddess

Do many virgin women hang out in bars in the first place?

Why wouldn’t they?

I’m a virgin and I’ve been in a bar 😀 with my dad… but it was fun, so whatevers. /random

@theblackfedora

Why choose his nose by the way? Do you think he is Jewish? He is not- and anti Semitic bigotry is no more acceptable when directed to the wrong target.

Dude, like maybe you should address your comments at the one person who did this, or actually engage with what every single other fucking person on the thread is saying.

Feminism and the political left have become no more than a vehicle for the persecution of all who do not fit in. Man with big nose? Creep! Rapist!! Jewboy!!

Oh my fuck you little shit the reason everyone is calling him a rapist is because in the fucking post he was admitting to being a rapist God I am so not in the mood for your shit today. Go sit on a cactus.

The conversation is over.

Wow…you sure told us bub. /sarcasm, cuz you probably need to be told.

.If you would like to continue with the sensation of pleasant outrage I have my own blog.

Nobody cares about your blog.

People who lack skills with the opposite sex will want to attain them. There is nothing creepy in giving the underdog a fair chance. In fact teaching men to be attractive actually does women a favor!

See, skills with the ‘opposite’* sex are are exactly the same as skill with the same sex. Just treat people like human beings. I know this is hard for your hateful brain to understand.

*Non gender binary people, do you exist in fedoraverse?

I believe on a basic level that everyone deserves a chance to better themselves. If they are poor they deserve the chance to make some money by hard work.

Actually, plenty of poor people do work hard! And still are poor! Imagine that. Fuck, when my mom was unemployed, the people in this state offered her ten fucking dollars per month for a shtick that would take the time of a full time job. She declined, because fuck, ten fucking dollars. So yeah.

There is the tendency on the left to want to keep people down. Left wingers are generally wealthy and are quite happy the way things are.

What strange alternate universe are you living in?

This is why I favor free markets. It gives the small guy a chance.

::Dies laughing:: I am now dead, black fedora. The irony has killed me. Everyone, anything else you see is now from Zombie Marie.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@Radical Parrot

Time for another installation of Troll to English translations.

Those were a c c u r a t e. (don’t want to copy paste your whole post cuz it’s so long, but yes too all of them.)

Also, still a zombie here, but remember, I used to be Marie! /random agitated-ness is bad for me in the morning.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Marie. It must be very confusing to be you. Roosh posts a link to a man who makes the reasonable observation that it is no fun sleeping with a woman who is in conflict with herself (not to say dangerous). He does not mention rape- only a woman who goes along with it but does not enter into the spirit. Maybe she wants to let go but cannot due to a religious upbringing. Who knows? It is not rape because consent was given but a gentleman will feel he has acted badly despite this because one part of her was not into it.

Now a woman agreeing to sex rape?

You post a series of quotes about Roosh being ugly and call this proof that he was NOT being body shamed- just as the first quote about a non rape was proof of rape.

You seem to view reality in a mirror.

I would guess from your post that you are about 23. Women under 20 complain that men are sex obsessed dogs. Some time between 25 and 30 they seem reasonably happy before deciding that men are castrated wimps who cannot take a strong woman between 30-40 upwards. Technically speaking women spend more time complaining about too little attention rather than too much.

One common reason women boast about too much male attention is to let everyone know they are gorgeous- especially if they are not.

Actually I am here to understand the feminist mentality. It fascinates me.

Radical parrot. Your post was content free so I can think of nothing to add. Thanks anyway.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Fib,

Actually I have no trouble at all saying that the left are spineless cowards without an atom of integrity. I have no idea why you thought that would be hard.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Oh and when I said the conversation was over I was referring to the implicit antisemitism of wanting to punch non Jews for having Semitic noses,

We are now discussing the moral sewer that the left has become.

Marie
11 years ago

@the black fedora

He does not mention rape- only a woman who goes along with it but does not enter into the spirit.

not so fun fact: you can confess to raping someone without using the word rape, just by describing what you did!

It is not rape because consent was given but a gentleman will feel he has acted badly despite this because one part of her was not into it.

Also, not so fun fact: nowhere in the quoted expert was anything about consent said. Fucking read, you fucking stain of shit.

Now a woman agreeing to sex rape?

Because she did not agree to sex. God, fucking read.

You post a series of quotes about Roosh being ugly and call this proof that he was NOT being body shamed- just as the first quote about a non rape was proof of rape.

…that did not happen. Like, do you have any reading comprehension at all?

What I posted:

@jackie

” Also, I realize body shaming may not be the answer, but has anyone not noticed that Doosh B is EXTREMELY UGLY! ”

You’re right, shaming is not the answer. And the problem isn’t him being ugly, it’s him being a fucking rapist.

” You don’t appear to have realized any such thing. Frankly, if the first thing you want to criticize about a blatant rape advocate is how you don’t find them attractive, your priorities are fucked.”

QFT.

Now, learn reading comprehension, or go the fuck away. Noone needs your repetitive shit today.

I would guess from your post that you are about 23. Women under 20 complain that men are sex obsessed dogs

Dude. I’m not around 23. But keep pulling shit our of your ass, if you want. I’m under 20, and I don’t think men are sex obsessed dogs (wtf?)

Technically speaking women spend more time complaining about too little attention rather than too much.

Citation fucking needed, you stupid sack of shit. NO ONE here has said they wanted more attention from men,, only less. Go step on a lego and learn how to read. Pro tip: Actually listen to what women say instead of projecting your apologistic shit all over us. Second pro tip: Go hug a cactus because it’s the only company you deserve.

One common reason women boast about too much male attention is to let everyone know they are gorgeous- especially if they are not.

More of your fucking shit. Pro tip: Most women want to be acknowledged for shit that is not our looks. Second pro tip: Go fuck yourself.

Actually I am here to understand the feminist mentality. It fascinates me.

Well, you are failing. Really, really failing. Pro tip: Women think like fucking humans, thanks. Now go shoe.

Marie
11 years ago

We are now discussing the moral sewer that the left has become.

Citation needed.

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