So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
I’m envisioning an evil hat lurking somewhere and typing on a laptop, just waiting for its next victim to innocently pick it up and put it on. Once the wearer dons the hat, the hat starts leaking mind control fluid from its brim in an attempt to get the victim to believe ridiculous things, like rape is okay and there’s such a thing called “negging”. The hat derives pure enjoyment from creating chaos, hoping that the victim will be awash in constant misery, so that the hat can retain its evil powers be made even stronger.
Once the hat has transformed the personality of its victim, it moves on to the next one. The victim is left with an angry and entitled attitude that will never recover from the hat’s evil influence.
If only this were true, so I can have a little more faith in humanity…
“The guy writes brilliantly at times- a sort of modern day Tropic of Cancer.”
All I can say is that it’s clear from this that all you’ve *ever* read of sex writing is Roissy and Tropic of Cancer.
I am not a PUA I am a MGHOW.
This does not mean that I turn my back on the self improvement aspects of game. They are highly valuable and I use them to improve my life rather than live up to some fantasy ideal of what a man should be to get women.
Why is it so hard to believe that a man should have a higher purpose in life than seeking the approval of women? I simply do not see why this notion should scare people!
MollyRen- you are probably right. Men usually prefer porn with pictures.
@sporklift https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6993144576/h0B92A864/
Black Fedora: You do realize that one of the words in MGTOW is GOING, right? So go, no one here really cares.
Right now you sound like a toddler threatening to run away if the women don’t give you what you want.
For the record then, The Black Fedora believes the one thousand and seven active hate groups that the Southern Poverty Law Center watches are super neato. Fedora here is down with them neo-nazis, white supremacists, racist skinheads, anti-gay hate groups, radical christian identity groups – you name it. The recent violence and conspiracies led by members of these hate groups – worthy of support, says our friend Fedora.
You see, The Black Fedorkadork would be concerned about the damage these hate groups cause or that a PUA just wrote an article describing rape as bad sex (for him, of course), but he’s got a more important cause to worry about.
You see, there are men out there who have trouble getting laid.
The Black Fedora – a truly stellar example of a human being. I would applaud him, but I’m too busy throwing up.
The first time I ever heard of PUAs (called “game guys” around here) was an interview in some mainstream magazine article years ago. It didn’t seem rapey or super sexist and I basically thought: “well I guess that’s a feasible dating strategy for some people, certainly not for me”.
However, I was badly puzzled when the artist in question stated his main ethical guideline as “do not mess with virgins”. How is virginity relevant to anything? Do many virgin women hang out in bars in the first place? And how can you tell them apart, do you ask in the casual chat phase?
Now I’m having a rather unpleasant lightbulb moment. If this particular PUA was indeed using “virgin” as a euphemism for “couldn’t fuck her without crossing into legally prosecutable rape”, that would tell oodles about his almost-human strain of ethical thought.
hellkell. actually it is the reverse of what you say. I do not need to run away or to come closer because I have achieved indifference.
You, on the other hand sense a loss of power.
Then why are you here again?
Loss of power over what? Some dude who doesn’t want to be with women? I’m not sure why I should care.
Now hellkell, if I remember correctly you are happily married, but are you happily married to a man with a fedora?
No doubt this is the loss of power The Black Federp is referring to.
It is all about morality really. The political left believe morality to be relative- or to put it another way- different rules apply to us.
The fact that they claim themselves to be oppressed therefore gives them freedom to behave as they do- threats of violence, body shaming (threatening to punch a man in the face because his nose is too large ext). All of these things are found on this thread.
Conservatives on the other hand believe morality is absolute. If it is wrong to punch a woman in the face for having a nose you do not like then it is also not ok to do the same to a man.
This is what every disagreement on this thread boils down to. Nothing else.
This is also why I cannot get anyone to enter into a polite conversation with me. You know these things about yourselves and will not look in the mirror.
I pity you. I really do.
“Why is it so hard to believe that a man should have a higher purpose in life than seeking the approval of women? I simply do not see why this notion should scare people!”
It doesn’t, and I don’t think you’ll find many here think so. Putting on fake fronts and twisting yourself ever which way because you think it’ll earn you some kind of points – or make you capable of manipulating people better – is pathetic. People should be true to themselves and have some goddamn integrity. As long as you don’t interpret “true to yourself” as = “raging arsehole with no respect for others” of course.
I should add: Quite possibly he was just using “virgin” as a code for “she technically consented but didn’t really want it”. Even then his language would normalize rape and support various rape myths.
Black Fedora, can you read? The poster who said that Roosh should be punched and was ugly was roundly criticized.
You’re not here for polite conversation, and FYI, just because you say your awful shit nicely, it doesn’t make it less awful.
Take your faux pity and shove it, you disingenuous nitiwit.
And clearly you do.
augochlorella: Mr. HK doesn’t own a fedora. Clearly, I have failed.
“This is also why I cannot get anyone to enter into a polite conversation with me.”
No it’s because you’re a disingenious, tedious, condescending twit spouting trite banalities whilst thinking himself clever.
Canuck_with_pluck, I knew that link was going to be Dimitri before i even clicked it.
@Fedora, clearly you have a deep understanding of politics and philosophy.
Dear Fedora, regarding your recent foray into the forum of hate which
you’ve nicely found time to designate and denigrate
I must post a little late, something to add to this debate:
Namely, my sincere attempt at being polite, mate. Now let’s take it away!
In your system set up to diss I find it amiss that you seem to miss
that the left of politics on the basic specutrm is not about relativist morals
did you pull that from your rectum?
Nor is the right entirely right based on some insight about divine mandated right
right?
because it just might be that differences accrue you won’t see in a different light.
But sure, I’ll bite.
I’m now a relativist moralist with no twist and no spine and no integrity, great set up, safely proceed to ignore my ranting as the derived headslum of a blinded fool with no ability to keep cool or play nice, because all I have is spite and malice like a malaise around me.
That’s what you’ve said, see?
However! It’s a bit of a sham. Relatvist and consequentalist and structuralist and fundamentalist differences in metaphysical constructions of the world is not what seperates left from right, all right?, it’s a much more base manner of personal proclivities and structuring of societies.
but that’s fine.
You’d rather have children starve on the streets and women beat because they’re unproductive dead meat, it’s neat, and if you think this is hyperbolic I must wax now relatively solid:
Morality, when formal, devours. And when you set down rules that works at all hours you’ll find it empowers not a sense of empathy and capacity for joy, to enjoy others, it gives you tools to perpetuate treason and deny people for an arbitary reason. Your social safety net becomes full of the holes of people you refuse to acknowledge, and simple acts carry the crushing burden of your overinflated sense of divine vitriolics.
Moralo-holics.
Punching is wrong, so don’t punch.
Stealing is wrong, so don’t steal.
Lying is wrong, so don’t lie.
And when I, lie, about to die, beneath the sky, starved from lack of bread because you’ve decided it’s better to keep people unfed, what will you have me do?
Die?
Okay, it’s no longer just me, now it’s the entire population of Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge years.
Please.
Fucking enlightment me as to how your absolutist morality will fix this problem, and no cops out like, “it won’t come to that in my perfect world”, it did in ours so now tell me how to fix it.
And once you’ve done that, maybe we can have a chit chat about all that riff riff about moralitistic relativity applied to pick up artistry and rape.
You heard it, folks: Fedorka supports the KKK
Manboobzers: here’s yet another PUA advocating rape
Fedorka: why are you scared of me GMOW?
Anyone with reading comprehension: *facepalm*
They are also challenged and disapproved of on this thread. I’m starting to seriously worry about your ability to understand what you read…
What makes you think you’re entitled to one?
@Arctic Ape
Why wouldn’t they?
@Fibinachi
Amazing, as always. Have you ever done poetry slam?
Shall we take a moment to assess The Black Fedoorknob’s priorities?
Stuff that is a Big Deal:
– an ugly comment that was criticized by ten (I counted) regular commenters almost immediately after it was posted
– that minority groups get to claim that they are oppressed
– that people on this site understand just how indifferent he is to women
Stuff that is Not a Big Deal:
– hate groups
– that one of his PUA idols just described date rape as a bad sex trope
– being a disingenuous asshat
No. I do not think so. Please point to where you think this happened.
You have simply found a guy that you consider lacking in social skills and who maybe says things that should be politely hidden and the decided to pick on him because of his foreign appearance. This is no more than school yard name calling done behind the safety of a computer screen.
Why choose his nose by the way? Do you think he is Jewish? He is not- and anti Semitic bigotry is no more acceptable when directed to the wrong target.
Feminism and the political left have become no more than a vehicle for the persecution of all who do not fit in. Man with big nose? Creep! Rapist!! Jewboy!!
Consider this. The equally Jewish and the equally ‘different’ Einstein had rather a lot to contribute. Fortunately we were not so PC while he was around or we may have lost the war.
Shame on you all. The conversation is over.
That was a beautiful parody of an anti-PC rant, Fedorka! *applauds*
(But seriously: I call Poe)