So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
take three
http://media-cache-ec3.pinimg.com/736x/9d/b5/28/9db5282d9ba11f7a2b5866a05704c6ab.jpg
take 4
aaargh! I finally figure out how to do blockquotes and now I can’t post videos?
try again
http://theberry.com/2011/04/12/daily-awww-cat-and-dolphins-playing-together-video/
ok. I give up, my brain is fried. well that last link will take you to the video, where after the !@#$%ing commercial, you can watch a cat interact with a dolphin. very cute.
Re: what Bob Goblin said — so my rapist ex #1 and rapist ex #2…implication here being, obviously, that I found them datable in the first place. Because hello logic land! Rape isn’t about ability to find consensual sex partners!
So, in recent news from my sometimes idiotic home state — prosecution takes a trip into idiot land, ends up with a court ruling that the mentally handicapped rape victim, incapable of vocalizing lack of consent, could’ve bitten or scratched and lack of evidence of that means NOT RAPE!
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/03/947981/court-requires-disabled-rape-victim-to-prove-she-fought-back-calls-for-evidence-of-biting-kicking-scratching/?mobile=wt
And it is prosecutorial idiocy, not the law itself, see the footnote, it saying “mental deficient” aside, CT law specifically says it was de facto // statutory rape. I haz an angry.
Sorry, not recent, just recent to me. I apparently also haz a dumb.
Gaah! It’s like that idiot in the other thread who went “I don’t wanna stigmatize people with mental illness, but I totally think mental illness and assholery is the same thing, and MRA:s are mentally ill”.
The general pattern being “I don’t wanna say X, BUT XXXXXXXXXXXXX”.
No, body shaming isn’t the answer. It’s wrong in itself. Plus (if someone has trouble getting why body shaming is wrong in itself, maybe this will help) there might be some perfectly decent people who happen to look a lot like Roosh reading this – anyone shaming Roosh for looks are shaming them too.
@ Argenti Aertheri
Holy shit. That article is sickening.
@LBT – “I just thought I’d tell you, I’ve been doing another writeathon in honor of our temporary return to appropriately housed humanity, and I just made a prompt that is in part a continuation of ‘Cat’s Eye View!’”
Whoot! ::preens::
Kitties and hedgehogs! Kitties and dolphins! Laughing furrinati!
::swoons::
Kitteh and LBT — this week’s PostSecret is relevant!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sJQ8q7QWonk/UaF77C0Y-uI/AAAAAAAAYlA/_WSq2F4xPMQ/s1600/ghosts.jpg
Actually, that’s a cat, which means it’s always relevant.
augochlorella — yeah, it’s beyond bad, what really gets me is I understand exactly how that ruling happened. That wording is part of why I never pressed charges against rapist ex #1, I wasn’t the level of completely and utterly incapable of resisting that wording requires (just too drunk to form real words or stand…I too could’ve bitten or scratched, but…reasons…) And all they had to do was use section 2 instead of 3. There’s a dissenting opinion, one of the CT Supreme Court justices thinks the ruling that it wasn’t rape is wrong — that she was, in fact, incapable of consent by legal statute. But they went with 3 instead of 2 because the defendant was challenging whether it happened at all so they used her ability to communicate what happened to say that yes, it happened…and screwed her over with it.
If you can tolerate 10~ pages of legalese, with some graphic details (actually, not as bad as the shit MRAs say), the last link on that page has the dissenting opinion. If nothing else I’d give it a read as an attempt to restore some faith in humanity.
And now I’m going to bed, because I have enough FEELS already from rambling about Memorial Day to pecunium. G’night guys!
BWAahahahahahaha love that picture, Argenti!
Not brain bleach but an I haz success: completed cable-pattern slouch cap. (Only learned how to do cable yesterday.)
Uhhh, yeah, seconding everyone here re: Jackie’s comment. Body-shaming and threats of violence are not cool, not even if it’s directed to someone like Roosh.
… Fifty Shades. The only good thing coming out of that book (for me at least) is a Hungarian meme.
OK. Explanation. The translator went memetic because he not only made some “questionable translation choices” (Like: Kings of Leon -> Lion King) but also pretty arrogantly denied making any mistakes. So the Hungarian interwebs made him the patron saint of bad translations. There is even an image macro of him floating around (named “Tótisz” after him), but because it’s naturally bilingual probably not that interesting.
Would a dodgy translation of Fifty Shades of Puke would at least have some unintentional laughs in it? It’s like the English version is only good for the hilarious take-downs and rubbishing it’s received. The thing itself is just … eurgh, words fail.
The appeal of game is that it gives men who are not that attractive some chance with women. This is criticism of Roosh for his looks will not help. The uglier a PUA is the more credible he is. The guy writes brilliantly at times- a sort of modern day Tropic of Cancer.
Many women get too much attention from men but they would find getting no attention even worse. Imagine complete invisibility. Many men decide to do something about this by hitting the gym and improving their social skills. I say well done.
I am too lazy myself.. but well done to those who make the effort.
“Imagine complete invisibility” – I get that or unwanted attention, far more the former than the latter, and I prefer it. Believe it or not, being a woman (or read as a woman) does not mean you want any attention from men at all.
The matter of someone hitting the gym or changing their clothing style or whatever is miles away from the whole PUA business. Sure, they probably recommend that, but PUA is about predation, manipulation, and outright rape, as shown in this article. That’s got fuck-all to do with improving one’s social skills. Your much-admired Roosh is happy to talk about “bareback persistence” and the joys of putting a guilt trip onto a woman if he can’t orgasm (I think it was him and not Roissy, though those two are cut from the same cloth). These men are promoting abuse. They’re shitstains, no more or less.
Well, the Hungarian blog called Leiter Jakab* collected 6 blogposts worth of facepalm inducing translation errors before giving up. They weren’t even halfway through the first book.
http://leiterjakab.blog.hu/tags/a_sz%C3%BCrke_%C3%B6tven_%C3%A1rnyalata Link is in Hungarian (Captain Obvious)
* It collects bad translations to mock or stare at them in confusion… it’s also huge.
Wait, new troll is literally called “The Black Fedora”?
This is too easy.
I can’t understand this idea of not being put off of the idea of raping people because it’s wrong and hurts someone, but because of how it effects you. MRA’s are really just men who were never taught empathy. It’s now not just only not raping because they’ll go to jail, but because it doesn’t make their dick feel that good. They really are the worst people.
I like Roosh, not because I think him the greatest gift to womankind or even because I envy his relatively modest achievements with women. It is because it is pure escapism of reading him.
Plus anyone the SPLC hates must be worthy of support.
If you’re going to provoke a reaction, @Blackfingernail, you need to do better than vague statements on your taste in fiction. /trolling101
So, one thing I took out of Jackie’s comment was that Roosh is a Torontonian? Is that correct? He’s not the same person as this guy,
(I hope that linked ok–my first time adding a link into a blog comment!).
*ok, it linked ok, but some stuff was cut off. I meant “…not the same as this guy, is he?”