So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
snore, is this your first day in internet world?
I’ve been here for a while so I can give you a few hints. If you go to an atheist site, the ads will often be for stuff about the bible. If you go to a site debunking alternative medicine, the ads will include homeopathy products or reiki classes.
The mindless computer programs that pick up on key words can’t tell whether the item in question uses such words positively or otherwise. They just pick them up and dump their rubbish all over the place.
This public service announcement is now ended. Thank you for paying attention.
Snore, this is for you.
Now STFU.
Psst, everyone else, don’t click on katz’ link, or install ABP. David needs the revenue from those ads to finance his plans for world domination via robocats.
Er, maybe I wasn’t supposed to mention that last part.
I know; that was specifically for snore.
You can also install it and allow ads on certain sites.
All I can say after that effort is, thank goodness for Cats and Mini-Me cats.
Brzzzzzz is sorta like the sound of snoring… (note: while I detect a whiff of dirty laundry, I don’t think it’s Brzzzzzz)
Sometimes I like to pretend that everything these “PUAs” post is just a horrible form of commentary and satire…I mean, really?
What I just read makes me weep.
🙁
@cloudiah
I would gladly bow down before our cute robokitty lords!
Snore:
Browsing incognito doesn’t prevent pages from picking up on cookies in your browser history, it just prevents the pages you visit while incognito from leaving cookies. Delete your cookies and history and the ads might change. (It’s also possible that the tracking methods used by ads can’t be deleted user-side, I’m not totally sure.)
Also, I suspect you are not acting in good faith, because claiming that an insult against a female celebrity is “misandric” is a huge red flag, but maybe I’m being too cynical.
snore sounds like Some Dude Bored.
Who d’you think was more boring, him or Minty?
Lard, they both bored the snot out of me, but SDBWYS probably wins.
I find it funny that the hill snore wants to die on is ads, clearly he can’t refute the OP. Derailing pissant.
“Browsing incognito doesn’t prevent pages from picking up on cookies in your browser history, it just prevents the pages you visit while incognito from leaving cookies. Delete your cookies and history and the ads might change. (It’s also possible that the tracking methods used by ads can’t be deleted user-side, I’m not totally sure.)”
No, that’s not accurate: see http://www.howtogeek.com/117776/htg-explains-how-private-browsing-works-and-why-it-doesnt-offer-complete-privacy/
You can test this for yourself. When not normal mode, wordpress fills in the comment login field for me – that’s cookie based. When I browse in incognito mode the first time, wordpress cannot fill in the comment login field for me — it has no cookie at that point and it is not being allowed to read cookies that might be there from normal mode.
“Also, I suspect you are not acting in good faith, because claiming that an insult against a female celebrity is “misandric” is a huge red flag, but maybe I’m being too cynical.”
No, you’re not clicking on the ad. Click on the ad, you’ll find it’s misogynistic, misandric, and ageist.
You know, which ads you see is partly based on your own internet history (for example, when I was looking at Paige jeans I kept getting ads for them whenever I was on this site). So, if ads about how lolugly women are is what he’s seeing…
^ I agree with both of you. Since time-wasting trolls are very boring I see no good reason to bother engaging him directly.
Nothing in that link indicates to me that cookies (or at least some cookies) aren’t stored from normal browsing and used during incognito browsing. Cookies from the incognito sessions aren’t stored, but that’s different. Certainly my browser still makes suggestions based on my normal browser when I open an incognito window.
Regardless, though, this:
So yeah, the ads are likely not based on storage on your end; incognito doesn’t change that.
Can’t – I’m not getting that ad. Trust me when I say that using the word “misandric” is a red flag in almost every situation, though.
Snore: Yawn
Oh fuck, load up the kitties. I just got out of an argument with a Fifty Shades fan who claimed that partner A ignoring partner B’s “no” or “stop” or even both in succession isn’t rape if partner B ends up just going with it. She then went on to say that any person calling such an experience rape is a liar and false accuser. And now this? Fear in the eyes, pushing away, sitting awkwardly is just bad sex? I’m with GreySky; I’d get a kitty of my own if my financial situation was better.
snore, I chose to have WordAds ads on this site; I do not choose *which* ads run on this site — wordpress does, or at least the WordAds part of wordpress does. You see that thing that says “about these ads” above the ads? Click it. It will tell you more “about these ads.” It will also provide you with an email address to report any that you found offensive.
This derailing discussion is now closed.
@Alex
Wow. That person sounds like a real asshole. My offering of brainbleach: http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cat-hugging-white-rat.jpg
To be fair, I’ve seen similar ads to what Snore is talking about, but as has already been mentioned, this site contains certain key words, and that also helps determine what ads you see.
I read the warning. I knew there would be upsetting things here. I was stupid and honestly thought I could take it. I was wrong. If anybody wants me, I’ll be in the my room, crying. No, not metaphorically speaking. Actually,literally crying. I hate the world so much. Except for kitties. I want a kitty.
Maybe I’m just cynical, because my response to this was “thank you, Mr. Matlock, for making our case for us”.
@Radical Parrot
All the jedi hugs if you want them 🙁
@kittiwantsavatars, CATTY WITH A RATTY!
But yeah, I’m done with her. I can argue with a person who thinks that’s not rape, and I have many a time, but once said person starts claiming that people who identify their experience as rape are the same as people who lie about something that never happened…I just can’t anymore because there’s nothing at that point that will convince them. Ultimately, she just didn’t want to accept that a book she enjoyed used rape as a romantic element. It was better to her to say that victims of the sort of rape mentioned earlier aren’t actually victims. I can’t deal with that amount of selfishness.