So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
(Pulls up hard misandric chair, reaches for tub of poporn.)
Nobody cares about you, Eurosabra.
Me explain where the consent was huh Marie?
You’d love to push the onus of proof onto me. How about since you are the one assuming the girl wasnt into it, you prove to me that the author of a seduction site writing an article on the different types of sexual characteristics of various girls was secretly describing how he sexually forced himself on a rational girl who’s only resistance was a GENTLE push of him away and then proceeded to have intercourse with the author. How dumb do you think the girl in the story is?
Are you seriously going to ignore how stupid that sounds?!
I bet sarcasm and all other forms of indirect communications remains a mystery if the simplicity of this eludes you. If you want to believe he raped her, go ahead. Whatever makes you feel like you’ve won. But you’re wrong. Go ahead and email the writer of Return Of Kings if you don’t want to take my word for it but I’m sure you won’t. You’ve no need to investigate further, you’ve got him and me all figured out.
We’ve already provided tons of proof that she wasn’t consenting. You haven’t provided shit.
Put up or shut up.
Sorry big daddy still waiting for:
^summarized well by Ugh what you need.
Ugh, go ask the writer of the article.
Instead of putting up, just shut up.
Quiet Marie, adults are talking.
Aww, it’s so cute how he thinks he can control the terms of the conversation!
Better idea: How about you go ask the girl? If she says she consented, I promise I will revoke any and all of my assertions that she didn’t. (Can’t speak for everyone else because I’m not them.) Otherwise, take your own advice and shut up.
@bigdaddy
That’s cute. You think of that all by yourself?
@katz
Seconding if she says she consented I’ll go with it wasn’t rape. Of course, BigDaddy’s still a rape apologist, cuz he doesn’t know she consented…
Katz, the story was an allegory.
The girl doesn’t exist.
Marie, what did I say?
BigDaddyPat sounds like the dude who raped me. I’d like him to go away.
At this point he’s just repeating phrases he’s heard other people say that had effects he wants to happen. It’s the magic-word approach to conversation.
@Nepenthe
Jedi hugs if you want them. Do you want someone to email David and ask for a ban? Or just for just to ignore him?
Katz, do you allow your children to act the way she’s been acting this entire time?
Like I said, ill own up to being called a racist or supremacist.
Rape apologist is not a description of me.
Nepenthe, really. Stop.
Which makes it all kinds of extra absurd to insist that things happened that weren’t in the story. Also, unless you’re going to say that it stands for the French surrender in WWII or something, then “allegory” is not the word you’re looking for.
If I had kids, I would actively encourage them to piss off white supremacists, yes. Especially since everything she’s saying is, you know, true.
Are you fucking kidding me? Get the hell out of here.
Katz, that’s the point.
No rape occured because the story isn’t true.
It’s only an allegory to show token resistance.
Her Telling me I remind her of a rapist is ok to you guys?
Whatever. You guys are seriously screwed in the head.
Yes, because Nepenthe knows what you’re saying.
@Pat
At last count (a couple of hours ago), there were three comments from two people discussing this post. Boy, that’ll sure show us!
And you, like those two commenters, clearly have a bee in your bonnet about someone calling this rape. Wonder why that upsets you so?
LOL, now who’s trying to be edgy?
That’s already been done, multiple times.
Pot, kettle, etc.
@Marie
No, the only reason we’re swearing is to feel ~empowered~, because everything women do, ever, is related to our gender somehow.
It’s like some animal hoarders: they truly and honestly believe that they’re taking good care of their pets, doing the right thing by keeping them housed and fed, while anyone outside the situation can tell that the animals aren’t healthy or well-cared-for at all.
Katz is one of my parents now? Cool!
It;’s amazing the lengths Pat will go to in order to avoid admitting that he has absolutely no evidence to back up his claims.
Yo, have you ever thought that if you had a non-stupid opinion, it would actually be easy for you to back it up?
BDP, you seem to be implying that you are the author of the story under consideration. You know it is allegory and that the allegorical woman with the fear in her eyes was pretending to be afraid and that all her non verbal communication was a pretense.
You are working very hard to argue that no means yes. How can you tell? Because the rapist succeeded.