So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
@M Dubz
God. Jedi hugs if you want them 🙁
@GreySky
Maybe just me here, but I think space goggles and a bandana would look fine. Not the furry top hat though.
No, no, no, it’s goggles and red capes.
“hellkell | May 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm
talacaris: you are no one’s idea of a better troll. ”
Thou art wrong. I’m pretty sure there exists at least one person that thinks the opposite.
🙂 🙂
@talcaris
One whole person, you’re really reaching for the stars there. Though I am curious who you think this person might be…
Somebody I think I know very well
:-);-)&-]
@Marie You rock your game 😉
As an old (30+ are the years of dust, right?) I reserve the right to be slightly more conservative in my dressing choices.
@greysky
XD I wouldn’t wear the bandana myself, though, but I may try space goggles if they had my glasses perscirpation in them XD
And I thought my game was pushup bras XD Sadly I’m not money-full enough to get one yet, bras are expensive.
If you want to see uncensored opinions of the article above from the point of view of the other side of the debate, you’ll have to go to the site in question. The comments are much too “offensive” for the sensitivities of the commenters here.
Thanks for warning me. I am definitely not interested in hearing rape apologia and misogyny.
Anyone who feels the need to call himself BigDaddyPat deserves only pointing and sputtering laughter.
I wonder if he goes to anti-racist sites and encourages them to consider the other side of the debate?
Being pro-rape is not being “on the other side of a debate.” It’s being an asshole.
@Viscaria I had the same problem after my IUD insertion. Raspberry leaf tea seemed to help, as well as ibuprofen, muscle relaxers, and heat. It only lasted a few days, which I hope is also the case for you.
@Pat (1) there’s no reason to assume that anyone here wants to hear the “other side” of this “debate”, and (2) I did go and read them, and they’re awful. That’s not because I have delicate sensitivities, it’s because they’re awful things said by awful people.
I don’t even think there’s anything wrong with having delicate sensitivities here. I certainly have them – I’m sensitive when it comes to hearing things like rape apologia and bigotry. And MRAs tend to be lacking in such sensitivities.
Hahahaha you guys are so edgy. Relax. I get it. It emotionally gets you all riled up. The orginal post was taken out of context. The girl playing the virgin was only pretending to be coy. She never once told him to stop. It wasn’t a defense of rape. Go read the original post instead of frothing over a misread statement.
Glad you like my name by the way.
@BigAsshole
Dude. Other people have said they read the original post. You’re just trying to excuse your shittiness. Good bye.
Marie.
The girl in the original post was not being raped.
It’s a misreading of the post.
If you’ve read it, read it again because you read it wrong.
Thanks for the name calling by the way. You go girl. Stick it to “the man”.
@BigDaddy
Dude, if you see ‘fear in someone’s eyes’ and they are pushing you away…it does not sound like there is consent! Fucking ask your partner if they want to continue. It is not hard to not be a rapist.
Also, is some little troll upset I’m using bad words?
Oh man the blockquotes. Well, you get the idea.
Legit, if you ever are in a position where you have to “give up” trying to make a sex position happen because your partner physically won’t let you, you’re already a rapist.
Trying to excuse my shittiness?
HAHAHAHAHA
Rest assured sweetheart, my arrogant
foulmouthed rude behavior has nothing to
do with this issue. My issue is misrepresentation
of the original intent. The “virgin” means a girl
who pretends to not want to have sexual intercourse
when she actually does. It’s a common criticism.
The author should take note. He could criticize the sterotyping
Of the behavior or something but writing a post ignorant of
The original authors intention is making this post the
Laughing stock over there. Just a FYI. I’m not here for any
Other reason, so save your name calling and other empowering
Shoutdowns for someone who’s sensitive enough to be concerned
With your disapproval.
You’re not a shithead for using bad words. You’re a shithead for supporting date rapists.
Yeah, if you’re taking it upon yourself to decide when women “actually” want to have sex, despite physically resisting you, you’re almost certainly a rapist.
Just don’t have sex with people who express that they don’t want to have sex with you. Why is that so fucking hard?
So the latest troll thinks there’s a “debate” about rape.
How edgy.