So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
Bring it, Eurosabra. It takes a LOT to get banned up in here, and frankly, I don’t think you have what it takes, you chickenshit rape apologist weasel motherfucker.
I still can’t understand Eurosabra…I’m probably clogging up the thread with posting these updates, but he’s clogging up the thread with his creepy ass rape apologia, so … /trail of thought goes somewhere
btw my brother is now watching me manboobz.
Eurosob: the men and women we mock on this site are misogynists. In their various ways, they hate women. It has nothing to do with whether one is socially inept or not. It’s very simple, yet you seem unable to get your head around the concept.
Note to self: Do not piss off hellkell, Queen of Verbal Eviscerations. 😀
hellkell – I read that as “weasel mother” fucker and thought, “What weasel’s mother would have anything to do with Eurosabra given a choice?”
PUA thread ballooned up to 500+ comments…
Eurosabra?
Eurosabra.
Eurosabra: I was thinking more in terms of most juries seeing a violent response as justified if the utterer is a man, unjustified if a woman.
Bullshit. The context was the reaction to a “hypothetical person” saying, “Bzzzt! Wrong answer” to a woman turning him down.
So then you said, “some people aren’t capable of being seen as a threat”.
Now it’s, “man threat, woman not threat”.
But that’s not what it was, and anyone following along can go and see that.
Nice try, but no dice.
It wasn’t him for the most part, BlackBloc – it was some sock calling itself The Black Fedora. Pell is suspected.
I keep hearing about Pell. Why is he so obsessed with this place? =S
Pretty sure Black Fedora is NOT Pell; he seems to be what he claims: one of the guys tossed out of MRA London, and has a couple of blogs and everything.
Your problem, Euro-sob, is you won’t own your shit. Gaslighting? It’s benign, because you only use it to get, “enthusiastic consent”.
Your need to use PUA is because you are so hideous to look at that no one will give you the time of day if you don’t run some game on them. You have to do it, because your time is getting short; someday you won’t be able to fuck.
You say you are good at it, so it’s down to what.. 75, 50, approaches to get someone to buy the claptrap, and fall for the routine (protip, you could join a carnival. Carnies, even the ones in the freak show get laid by townies… and their buddies will cover for them with the cops; because carnies don’t see townies and people, and next weeks it’s a new gig)?
You say you took up PUA so you wouldn’t be lonely. How’s that working out?
You say you have acolytes, learning the “good game”, the game that’s not exploitative. The game that uses “mild gaslighting”. The game being taught by someone who thinks that “bzzt wrong answer” can be said in way that isn’t threatening.
But when called on any of thise, “oh, you people get to be mean to me, but I don’t dare respond because the Big Bad Wolf will eat me!”.
You know what that tells me? It tells me you need this place. It fills some void. You are willing to come here, and be mocked, and ridiculed, and insulted. You come here knowing it will happen; that we will remind you of your past stupidities (because you sure as hell failed to read this room; if you thought any of the shit you’ve said was going to go over well). You are getting something out of it, and that something is so important to you that you won’t lash out when attacked, because you might actually overstep the boundaries here; in ways that will lead to you getting more than just a rejection from the target of the evening.
You don’t want to be banned. You want to come here, knowing the reception you are going to get.
On that basis, I say we ought to ignore you. Because you are a worm, a coward, a two-faced sham; lying to us, and lying to himself.
You’re pathetic.
So Eurosabra is defending the doing of something that he claims he would never do himself because..?
::standing ovation for Pecunium::
“You say you took up PUA so you wouldn’t be lonely. How’s that working out?”
That’s the thing that gets me with Eurosob. Tricking, manipulating, guilt-tripping, coercing someone into a one-night stand is a cure for loneliness how? Like I said last time he did the woe-is-me stuff, I’d have thought it would emphasise loneliness. Unless of course that’s the only time he ever talks
atto a woman outside of Manboobz and he really is that clueless. Somehow I doubt it; he’s too disingenuous for that.@Pecunium
uh…wha? I’m assuming you’re saying that’s what he said, because if not… I’m super befuddled as to why you’d say that.
I still think he’s too cheap to pay a domme to insult him and that’s why he comes here and says things guaranteed to provoke an unpleasant response.
I’m about to run out, but speaking of jail sentences, want to know what happens when a trans* WoC defends herself against a neo-nazi? Ask CeCe, she’s turning 25 in a men’s prison today.
Marie – Eurosabra’s said before that he’s terribly short (and that’s not even with morning height!) and ugly and has lupus or some such. He was on about it last time he was here and thebewilderness dubbed him Eurosob.
Must say I kinda fancy the idea of him (or PUAs generally, regardless of looks) being carnival sideshow exhibits. “Roll up, roll up, see the amazing douchebags! Listen to their bizarre take on dating! Laugh at their misogyny!”
Pecunium — either don’t stoop to using their shaming game agains them, or at least be clear in the “by your own logic” part. (And I’ll get to the links you sent me when I get back, I swear!)
Zombie Marie: he did say that. he says he has a disease (lupus, I think) and that will render him unable, in some wise, to get laid/have sex, so he needs to get his end over now.
But he’s a liar. I don’t see any reason to believe him about motivations, actually; but I will take his words at face value, since I also have no reason to completely discount him.
The worst of it is, I know lots of people who are at least as badly off as he claims to be; who have partners (or at least steady lovers). Who have what he says he wants. The difference I can see is they don’t wallow in their problems (I’m not saying they, “put on a happy face”, because they don’t. Some of them are often a serious drag to be around; genuine Gloomy Gus). They relax. They assume they are lovable.
Euro-Sob won’t. He’s convinced himself that women are all shallow, and vain, and fickle, and that to, “get anything” from the, he has to lie, and cheat, and steal (not money, but trust).
It’s sad. It’s also evil, because he is preying on people. So while I symapthise for his condition, I don’t sympathise at all for his situation. He is making this bed, so he can lie in it. If he wants to change the sheets, it will be more pleasant, but that’s on him.
They can be part of a joint exhibit with The Amazing Asshole.
cloudiah: My dad was a Marine, I grew up hearing some very inventive swearing.
Argenti: I see your point. Eurosabra has been one long sob-story about how hard it is to be him; in every way, shape and form. I’ve lost my patience with him; which is saying a lot, since I cut slack to Steele, and Brandon, and All the Rest.
I’ve been gentle with him, but I can’t do it all the time. When he is this egregious, I’m going to tell him off; and his big thing is, “woe is me”. So yeah, he’s telling a sob story, and I’m calling him on it.
@pecunium
Ah. Just didn’t know if you were paraphrasing what he said, or saying that stuff about him, cuz shaming people for being ugly wouldn’t’ve been okay.
Who gets to wear the straw boater and stripey jacket and wave a cane around while doing the “Roll up! Roll up!” line? It could be one hell of a sideshow if it included MRAs and the like.
Come to that it could include a House of Horrors (prime exhibits: Owly and Meller). Or perhaps they’d be the Ghost Train exhibits.
Then there are the Incredible Changing Socks. They’d have an exhibit all their own – deceptively small, given what we know about 90% of them.
Zombie Marie: Ah. Just didn’t know if you were paraphrasing what he said, or saying that stuff about him, cuz shaming people for being ugly wouldn’t’ve been okay.
You’re right, it wouldn’t. I can see how that might have been the impression, but the only place I was “shaming” was in the use of Euro-Sob. Everything else was based on what he has said about himself; or what he has done here.
And now to see my beloved give a concert.