So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
We all have this. It is part of the human condition and I try to be aware.
Well, you’re failing to be aware.
No weirder than a PUA describing “mild gaslighting” as something benign.
Pell: way to miss both the point, and the science.
There is a good case to compare humans to manatees. The more if you compare us to chimps as well.
Chimps have no sub-q fat deposits. Chimps have fur. Chimps don’t have fatty breasts.
Baby chimps can’t swim baby chimps can’t float.
The list goes on.
But more to the real point… that a perfectly plausible hypothesis, which completely invalidates yours does exist invalidates your absolute claim for why women have breasts.
Come on, Black Hat, peltdown, already! I can’t just put off stuff I need to do today to wait for this. You have 15 minutes. Dance, lemur!
Fedora, but I and several others have said things which you are choosing to ignore.
You respond to parts of our posts, but not all of it.
Several times this has been pointed out……
Fedora you want to believe Marie is bitter and unhappy. That is what you want to believe, but as a regular I don’t believe Marie is. You want to believe that you and I are in agreement; even as I point out that we are not.
You post as though everything you post is correct, but you give no sources (although you have been asked to several times) and continue to state that what you post is fact.
As far as breasts are concerned there is no agreement as to their purpose. Some scientists argue that handicap principle, some argue they are a sign of fertility ect ect. Saying something is fact when there is no scientific consensus makes me think you have no idea what you are talking about.
I think I’ve got to be making a cake now…I’ll try to check back during it though.
everyone, try to have fun with the troll. Or ignore him. Whichever.
I’d just like to point out that a woman who uses her breasts to convince a strong man to defend her from a tiger is indirectly breastfeeding that tiger.
Fade
You are missing the point. Nobody owes anyone a date but I think a shy person has every right to seek help and I do not think women should ridicule a man for having a minor mental health problem.
And just seconding melody’s whole comment up there. I’d qft, but it’s so big.
@Marie, I hope your cake is delicious! My boyfriend and I are going to pick up a pie for later tonight. 😀
@2Dman
XD
@fedora
Lol cuz women aren’t people and don’t actually have their own mental health problems? Fucker.
Which is exactly what Fade advocates…not.
@Alex
And I hope your pie is delicious too! 😀 I hope I can make my dad’s look nice…he wanted all chocolate icing, which is a bigger pain to make, and also harder to play with. I can only make buttercream. 😀
I have no idea why I have a smiley after the only being able to make buttercream icing chocolate. it was a typo.
You folks are making me crave French silk pie now. :{
I WANT IT
Hey, do any of you ladies have tips for cramps.
I’m currenty bedridden as a result of awful.
My tea (tension tamer in case anyone wants to try it) isn’t cutting it. Midol isn’t working and my heating pad is doing jack.
Ha. I’ve also stockpiled massive quantities of industrial-grade Handwavium.
The world is turning upside down.
Melody.
No. I do not believe that Marie is bitter or angry. I was slightly worried that I had upset her for real and told her I was a troll so that she could break off if she wished. She swears a lot but quite honestly I was unaffected by that.
As for sources..there is a time factor because there are more of you than me. In any case it would make no difference. You believe (I think) that men are basically not OK to one degree or another. This is something the culture feeds us. It is hard to fight it.
*yaawwwwwwnnnn*
Spoiler space: We’re here to laugh at people like you
Oh, gosh, Eurosabra’s back. Is he gonna go off of how chronic illness means it’s okay to try to deny a woman’s right to say no? It might seem like I’m focusing on this, but this feels like a semi-personal issue for me.
I will say your comment in this case was magically not- creepy somehow, but that doesn’t erase everything you have said.
Did you read how everyone else pointed out that “kino escalation” and acting like saying no is a challenge is the objections we have to the PUA game? If it actually taught shy men social skills, it would be fine.
@melody
🙁 Sorry about your cramps. Don’t have any good advice though. Normally all I do is lay down with a heating pad and try to wait them out. Do you take advil or any other pain medicine for cramps? I know my dad’s fiance has this pill especially for period cramps, but I don’t know what it’s called. ::shrugs::
What kind of cramps are they?
If they are stomach cramps, I suggest chamomile tea. I don’t know why, but it always makes me feel better.
@theblackfedora
I…do swear a lot. I am aware of this. And? Your point is?
Nope. I don’t think men are not “OK”. You’re just pulling that from your ass. Either that or you think because we oppose rape apologia we hate men, but if you think opposing rape apologia means hating men…well, you have a pretty damn* low opinion of men..
*omg! cussing! omg!
I usually do midol, but this is a partiularly rough day.
@fedora……
*facepalm*
Us not liking PUAs is now all men. Glad to know. Us not liking rapists is now all men.
I should start calling the men in my life and let them know that some guy on the internet thinks I don’t think they are ok.