So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
A variety of real triggers exist, and feminists tend to talk about a lot of them, so your point is weak.
Pec
You prove my point brilliantly.
Women’s breasts ARE much larger than they need to be in order to feed a child. They are mostly fat and are probably a liability while being chased by a tiger.
They DO help a women attract a strong man to protect her though.
It’s starting now. The amusement is I’m watching Sassafrass perform Ragnarok (at Balticon).
Ew..
Marie
I was talking about you. What is your motivation. You cannot say you are here because David MAKES you surely? Have you no free will?
@Marie, My estimate’s probably generous. I hope it’s sooner because I’m going to be off to do groceries and water the garden soon.
If you ask me, I don’t owe anyone a chance while I’m dating. If you’re not attractive to me (underdog) and nice and we share some interests, you might have a chance. If you’re attractive to me and nice and we share some interests, you’d probably have more of a chance. So what? I’d only want to date people I find attractive.
If it just teaches interaction skills, or w/e, I’d be fine with PUA. But it doesn’t. It says “here, do random “kino” touching to make people uncomfortable” or “women always say no as a shit test”. That IS creepy, and if you think it’s just “giving the underdog a chance” you are a freaking creepazoid who ignores people’s boundaries!
I just want the record to say that if black fedora said this seriously, it is the most hilarious thing ever.
Also, @ Radical Parrot: Still loving the troll to english translations!
That. Is not. What “PC”. Means.
Sweet nothings? WTF? What the heck does that mean? People spitting in my ear randomly would not calm me down.
Based on what kind of evidence, TrollBoy? How do you know the man isn’t CAUSING the problem?
Anyway, second not-done-reading comment being posted, to prevent a too long comment..
@the black fedora
I’m here to hang around the awesome regulars. And to poke trolls, when they show up. Funnily enough, I actually enjoy being here, instead of running a ‘scientific’ experiment.
Chappy-noir: I didn’t prove your point. You made up another story
Here, I’ll show you how it’s done.
1: assume a need for fatty deposits under the milk ducts.
2: look for other animals which have such a need
3: Assume there is a parallel.
So there is are animals which have such a need (Stellar’s Sea Cow, the manatee).
If humans were ever aquatic (a defensible proposition) then there would be a need, independent of male opinion, for breasts. There would also be variation in size.
All of it independent of dudes.
In short, your understanding is still lacking.
I have travelled far. Searching for Understanding, for Truth, and for Knowledge.
My travels have brought me into contact with many a thing, many a place and I have found answers to the questions I had. Answers to questions I never knew I had, too, and even, that most rare gift, I’ve found yet more questions to ask now.
But at the end of my journey, one thing still eludes me. One final goal. I do not yet understand this thing they call “Rage”, this frothing emotion that bubbles forth with viscera and vitriol. And until I do, my understanding will not be complete.
I must know Rage.
I must be Rage.
I must become… The HULK.
For only, when I am Rage, when I know in my heart of hearts and have been marked in my most sacred soul by the beast they call rage, will I understand Feminism. For rage is the gate way to emotion. And once I know the gate way, I will know the path.
And…
at the end of that path… so short now… I will finally find the answer to the question must burning, most vivid in my mind:
What does it mean… To feel?
Then the world will make sense to me. Then I will have what the Lion sought, a heart. A true, beating heart. A soul.
And I will be complete.
Marie
So you prove my point. You enjoy some indignation- yet you blame men for it at the same time.
@fibinachi
So glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I red your comment XD
Fib
Yes that is very close. Many feminists thing being in a constant strop is empowering. It actually means they are not in control of themselves.
@black fedora
Don’t make up shit, asshole. I told you why, you lept for some interpretation of how this could fit your massive confirmation bias. I don’t enjoy indignation. I enjoy mocking misogynists because it’s much more fun than being upset by them. and I enjoy the awesome regulars here, big part of why I stay, but you seemed to ignore that part.
Citation needed.
It’s really weird for a PUA to describe someone having a full-body fear response as ambiguous. Even in the case of kink, you’d need tons of prior arrangements or safewords and I suppose most people would verbally check-in anyway. The whole thing reads like a victim is resisting while terrified that overt resistance will provoke murderous violence.
Pec
Let us apply occams razor and compare humans with chimps and not manatees.
Wow Eurosabra said something that wasn’t creepy as fuck. I am kind of amazed.
Is “Pec” Fedora’s short thing for Pecunium? Because I keep reading it as plec…Argenti, you haz brainwashed me.
@augochlorella:
Mr hk doesn’t have a fedora but Mr K has two – am I successful? (They’re not black though.)
@Marie:
And let me tell you, it’s not easy to brainwash a zombie!
Marie
Yes it is always good to have ones opinions echoed back to them.
But only I have confirmation bias it seems.
@kittehs
::throws party:: 😀
Actually, black fedora, the reason I say you have a confirmation bias is because no matter what someone says you ignore all parts that you can’t twist into matching your views. Just a tip, bub.
Oh, gosh, not another “women’s looks = man’s actions” shtick. Here’s an idea: a woman’s looks = a man’s looks in terms of dating. A woman being a manipulative ass = a man being a manipulative ass.
“center of the world”… ? There is something about the way this is described that seems skeevy to me, but I can’t put my finger on it…
Then Pecunium said
And that feels like why it was making me uncomfy.
Actually, you can tell they’re a manipulator WHEN THEY START TRYING TO MANIPULATE YOU.
Ah, I remember my attempts to lead a relationship.
I opened this funny aparatus attached to my head (woman can use those) and forced the muscles in it to move at the same time I exhaled and vibrated my vocal cords causing a sound similar to “do you want to go out with me?”
If you look at this remarkable chart, you’ll be able to see those muscles attached to the back of your eye, which should let you control the direction of your impolite stare. You’re welcome.
brb, still catching up on comments.