So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
Nom nom nom!
Nep,
You confuse fashion with attractiveness. The fashion industry promotes size 0 models but I do not know a single man who likes them. I suspect the same happened in the 20’s.
Actually I think you prove my point. Large breasts are generally considered attractive. Simply look at porn in Japan. Generally the women there are quite flat but Japanese porn is full of buxom ladies.
“Looking at naked pictures of” ≠ “contact with”. Just sayin’.
I have a credible source (my sister, lol) tell me that black fedora keeps coming back as a troll in this thread, though since I’m just catching up, here is his first comment, to see how much he’s changed his shtick (trolls love thinking people can’t go back and read what they just said)
A) if someone is unattractive, I don’t think acting like a PUA asshole will improve their chances.
B) I’d rather be ignored than harrassed; the only people who say the opposite are normally men who have never been harrassed and think of street harrassment as hot chicks they want to pay attention to them anyway saying nice stuff, not legit threatening stuff that actually can happen.
C) I can’t work out now due to chronic illness, but when I could it was always because (imagine this) I liked how it felt to be in shape, body wise, not because I wanted to pick up hot people.
You know, I agree, it is bad if your purpose in life is seeking approval from the opposite (or the same) sex, because you can never be guaranteed that people will give you their approval. There is nothing you can do to accomplish this goal, because people are *gasp* different, and no one owes you there approval just as you don’t owe anyone yours. (Exception being parent-child relationships, because you know, you can’t neglect your kids, so don’t act like “you must do this for me to approve of you, my child”. I’m talking about relationships between adults or friends that are generally equal in power)
The problem with MRAs, is that they whine about how women hate men and are nasty, babykilling, slutty, lazynotworking and yet stealingmensjobs at the same time feminazis. They’re entire shtick is either around how women hate men, and it’s awful, or how women are despicable, and it’s awful. They think we should be worshipping them on one hand and apologizing for existing on the other. If that’s not tying up your purpose into other people I don’t know what is.
anyway, this is kind of a comment from the past, because I have not caught up yet, but I don’t want to post one superlong comment.
@The Black Fedora,
Can you tell when women want you because their pupils dilate? Do lesbians have immature (clitoral) orgasms?
augo
Trolling is a noble calling.
Quick! there has been evidence against my argument! Let me ignore it! /shorter fedora.
@black fedora
I’ll bite. How?
I am not sure what you are getting at here.
@black fedora
Be more specific. Which comment? Who’s getting at?
Ah yes, the porn argument of biological attraction, wherein sometime around 1987 the human genome massively shifted and men became naturally attracted to women with hairless crotches.
Marie
I am trying to understand the feminist mentality. To do so I must understand what feminist call ‘triggers’
You are part of a scientific project.
Okay guys, I decided to LIGHTEN UP THE MOOD and be a bit off topic, but this is so funny. Me and husband for various reasons started reading again in a book he has called “Vita kränkta män” – “white violated men” in English. It’s by a Swedish journalist called Kawa Zolfagary, who’s an explicit feminist and looks very much non-European, meaning MRA:s and racists (and as we know, the two groups intersect heavily) give him loads of hate. He decided to counter with humour and started a Facebook page which is a bit like this blog although in Swedish – people send him various quotes from racists and MRA:s from around the web, a lot of it from other places at Facebook, and he publishes them on his FB page for lols. Eventually it became so popular that he gathered the best stuff in a book.
One of the best pieces, translated for your benefit and lols:
“Who the FUCK has come up with “zie” really!!! And now political parties write it in their party programs! This society can to go hell, idiots!!! Man/woman it’s that fucking simple! But if that’s not gonna exist we could just as well stop procreating Homo Sapiens on this planet when you don’t know what to bang anymore!! I’m gonna fucking bang a pig and call our offspring “zie-pig”! 50/50 pig human and show off my proud hybrid to the fucking idiot who came up with ZIE!”
Do you know anything about mental health issues? ‘Triggers’ are not things that feminists made up. Real people have them. How about you stop showing yourself to be a complete fool in this thread and actually read about psychological triggers (and, while you’re at it, stop being an asshole)?
@Nepenthe
I was thinking of bringing up a similar trend, but you beat me to it.
Triggers… You want to know what a trigger is?
“They are designed to prevent people who have an extremely strong and damaging emotional response (for example, post-traumatic flashbacks or urges to harm themselves) to certain subjects from encountering them unaware. Having these responses is called “being triggered”.”
tada Google is pretty simple.
Nep
Good point. Although this started much earlier in the Muslim world.
Pubic hair helps conception so it would seem a disadvantage. Having said this I like the old ways so maybe this is fashion again?
Oh, and I don’t think you understand the scientific method, either.
@black fedora
Go fuck yourself, dipshit. Though I’m guessing you know 0 about science.
Also, because I am bored: We put trigger warnings on things that are upsetting. If a rape victim sees a TW: rape, they can have time to prepare themselves before reading, or decide to skip. They’re just to give people a heads up. Normally when talking with people in meat space, there is a heads up before really stressful topic, just it’s considered common courtesy.
Blackhat: I’m not sure what you are getting at here
Truer words ye never spake.
Now, about those breasts. If biology caused all men to prefer large beasts there would be a lot fewer (if any) women with small breats.
Also it may be that the images in porn are a case of fashion than biology. Trufact a study just showed a WEAK correlation between misogyny and a preference for large breasts.
Any bets on how long until peltdown? The “pubic hair helps conception” comment makes me think it is imminent.
And me, having to go do errands. So unfair.
Aai
If you had read my post I was talking about what FEMINISTS call triggers which like most feminist things is unrelated to external reality.
They use it to talk about being in a state of virtuous and presumably enjoyable rage. Why else come to sites such as this one?
Why should a person seek out or manufacture rage? Understand this and I understand feminism.
@cloudiah, I’m betting two hours.
@theblack fedora
David says why in the faq:
@Alex
Two hours! I’ll probably have to be making my dad his birthday cake by then 🙁
So, if you personally liked small breasts then liking large breasts would be a fashion and not biology. Huh.
Well Sparky, let us know when your paper comes out in JAMA (Journal of Annoying MRA Assfax). I’m sure the many scientists here will enjoy reviewing your methodology.