So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”
I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”
[TRIGGER WARNING for what follows; emphasis mine.]
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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.
Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.
In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.
MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.
The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.
Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.
I don’t really have anything else to say.
Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:
This whole blog post is about a man who repeatedly didn’t make women feel great, in fact he most likely raped them, but his only concern about that is that the sex wasn’t so great for him.
Stop derailing, fedora monkey.
Hmm…hasn’t denied pelldom yet.
Ah, we’ve reached the old “pua is justified because women do things to make themselves more physically attractive to men (because ALL women always want attention from men and the only reason women do things is for men and also because men only care about womens’ looks and women don’t care about men’s looks but if they do they’re shallow whores, but men only caring about women’s looks is just fine because evolution, or something)” portion of the debate.
The closest equivalent of pua advice for women is probably books like The Rules. Which, unsurprisingly many men* thought was manipulative. It’s almost like NOBODY likes to feel like someone is manipulating them into a relationship/sex. And even The Rules wasn’t teaching people date rape.
*Feminists also bashed it for being gender essentialist and a bunch of other problematic crap. Which is kind of the opposite of what you’d expect if mra claims were true and feminists were all about helping women trap hapless beta dudes into marriage and all.
Fedora….If you agree then why are you arguing with us?
And you said you agreed on the bras, but I don’t think you and I were on the same page. So, where did you say you agreed? Because even if you did you are still debating it.
So… BLACKHAT, thinks it’s unreasonable to make judgements about men a woman is interacting with.
He also thinks it is totes reasonable to make suppositions about a woman he has never met.
Interestingly both of these rationales have one thing in common… The woman has to accept what the man wants.
Melody
I agreed that some (well a fair number) of PUA come across as a bit iffy. These guys have little following and there is a movement towards being the sort of person who simply goes around being the source of good feelings to everyone male or female. The sort of person you would hang out with even if they had two heads.
Then do you agree that the above post sounds like he raped her? Because if not you and I are not on the same page.
And uh…. then why are you still arguing with Marie?
Here, you haven’t come across as exactly a master of reading comprehension, so I will spell the joke out for you, fedoratheexplora.
This is what you wrote. Notice something missing?
Whoops.
Now get me my god-damned female GaoGaiGar. I have robots to fight.
Yeah, that thing about virgins and bars was mostly based on personal biases and prejudices I had back then (and to some extent until today), as an adult virgin who never goes to bars for any reason. Thanks for pointing that out.
(I also don’t like the term “virgin” as it trivializes human sexual experience, but was too lazy to write this disclaimer.)
Or are you going to stick to the pretty little story you whipped up?
@The black fedora
A BIT? the fuck
Not what the puas do…
Fedora I don’t think we agree because the idea that you and I are in agreement makes me feel nauseous. Which I don’t think agreement is suppose to feel like.
Fib,
I owe you a reply because I understand most of your last post. You think that because men are generally attracted to women shaped women this means that women are just pieces of meat? Or rather that this is what I think?
This is placing a moral speculation upon a fact of nature. Women with large breasts who display them tend to get looked at. We can say that this is because men are pigs (if you hate men) or that women are whores (if you hate women).
Neither help much- but men will continue to look at the breasts. Fact. This is just the way it is.
@fedora
You say fact, I say citation dearly needed.
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As a woman with big breasts: nope nope nope. The only reason you think they are on display is because I can’t really take them off.
Do you know what a fact is? Also, guys, is fact the new ‘and that’s real’? Just saying something and putting fact at the end will make it so. And that’s real.
Well, now we know why he’s been so selective in his replies.
Women without large breasts are not shaped like women. Gotchya.
And if you don’t hate either–a shocking concept, I know–you can say that this is because in our culture female breasts are sexualized.
Blackhat: I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but you didn’t understand Fibinachi.
Fib
I think I know what you are getting at. You think that the female ‘role’ in courtship is passive because the man has to do all the funnies.
In fact the woman always leads but she does so subtly. There is always some glance, some subtle signal before the approach.
@black fedora
NO. If that were the case I would never get approached by men I have no interest in. Go fuck yourself.
Nep
Every now and again I am floored by feminist denial of reality. Yet I think you mostly believe it.
Male love for the female body is biological not cultural. How else would animals know what to do? Animals have no language.
Blackhat: More bad news on the understanding front.
@black fedora
if you want to claim it is a reality you’re going to need, oh yeah, a fucking citation. That’s not outdated. kthnxbye
Also, do gay men exist in your universe?
Want to hear a story? I’m a biology student. Towards the end of last semester I started reading quotations of stuff MRA’s said about biology and evolution to my friends in my biology classes and we would laugh and laugh and laugh…
And that’s real.
Are men more like chimps, bonobos, banana slugs, fruit bats, or something else? If biology trumps everything, what kind of biology is ruling men?
WHY DON’T FEMALE CHIMPS WEAR PUSH UP BRAS?
Gay men do exist obviously but unlike feminists I have no interest in talking about things of which I have no direct experience.