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Dating guru Alex Matlock: Sex with women who fear you and push you away might not be much fun

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Protip: This does not mean “yes.”

So “dating” guru Roosh has a post up on his Return of Kings blog by another self-professed dating guru, Alex Matlock, who rates various types of “bad sex” according to the type of female partner who’s involved in them, including such charmingly named types as “The one that tries too much (aka The Disaster)” and “The one that doesn’t move (aka The Starfish or The Doll).”

I expected a good deal of standard-issue manosphere misogyny in Matlock’s list, but I honestly couldn’t make it past his description of what he regards as the second-worst type of female sex partner: “The one that’s scared (aka The Virgin).” Because what he’s describing doesn’t sound so much like “bad sex” as “date rape.”

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This girl doesn’t necessarily have to be a virgin because she can still act the part many years after she’s popped that priceless cherry. She will usually look at you with fear in her eyes as if she has no idea about what’s going to happen. She gently pushes you away as if she’s not ready for the event and when it does happen she continues to act like it’s the first time. She usually sits in some extremely awkward positions that make you give up and just go missionary. This girl will eventually bust your nut but she’ll surely leave you with a sense of disappointment and/or guilt.

Uh, Mr. Matlock, I’m hoping for everyone’s sake that this is a hypothetical “humorous” scenario you’ve come up with for the sake of this article and not something you’ve been a part of in the actual real world on a regular basis, because, unless you’ve left out that portion of the hypothetical events in which the woman in question clearly and unequivocally consents to having sex with your hypothetical protagonist here, what you’ve just described as “bad sex” (for the hypothetical dude) is actually a description of, well, rape from the point of view of the rapist.

In which case that twinge of guilt your hypothetical protagonist hypothetically feels is probably just the tiny part of his hypothetical self that’s still human reacting to the fact that he JUST (hypothetically) FUCKING RAPED SOMEONE.

MRAs and PUAs and manospherean assholes generally like to pretend that consent is some weird and mysterious thing, but it’s really not. Here’s a hint: if a women looks at you with fear in her eyes and pushes you away all while sitting in a position that makes sex difficult …. all that means NO.

The fact that Matlock — despite those twinges of guilt — still doesn’t regard this as the worst kind of “bad sex” (for the guy) but merely the second-worst adds a certain level of absurdity to the horror.

Given Roosh’s publication of this piece by Matlock, and the fact that he himself has already confessed to committing what would be considered date rape by American standards by having sex with at woman too inebriated to give consent, perhaps it’s time to stop referring to Roosh as a dating guru and to start referring to him as a date rape guru.

I don’t really have anything else to say.

Here, as brain bleach, are some cats with smaller versions of themselves:

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melody
11 years ago

Pushing my breasts together with a bra is the same as using manipulative language in order to get into a persons pants?

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Marie,

How would you know? The only ‘pickup artists’ you identify are clueless men who say clueless things. They could be PUA or just clueless.

The man who makes you feel the center of the world and quite wonderful on the other hand could also be a PUA but your circular logic discounts this.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Melody,

Exactly. It is just as ‘fake’ as a man telling another mans jokes because he is not funny.

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

The man who makes you feel the center of the world…

The man who makes me feel this is a very talented geologist. But probably a bad boyfriend because ouch my hand.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Because we’ve already established how violent we are here, and because we are now zombies, I propose a steel cage death match!

On one side, a push up bra.

On the other, this: http://manboobz.com/category/rhymes-with-roosh/

melody
11 years ago

Exactly…..
Because bras are evil……
Evil bras. Which have no uses except to tempt men. After all that is why I wear one all alone in my apartment because……I’m tempting the invisible men in my apartment….

Why do MRM, PUAs always assume that everything a woman does is for a mans benefit?

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Marie

I never said there was anything wrong with push up bras. They are game for girls.

There is also nothing wrong with a man learning to be funny when he is not.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

Ah.

So hey, we’ve come full circle, and now we’re suddenly back to: “But if they were pretty, you’d like them! If they were likable, you wouldn’t be upset! You only call them strange, terrifying men because you don’t like the way they look and they make you feel strange! If you liked what they were doing, you wouldn’t complain!”

Which is well, obvious.

Duh.

And it is very possible that the person who makes someone feel loved, cared for and delighted in, the centre of a world, fills them with ZEST FOR LIFE and BRINGS A PEP INTO THEIR STEP could be a PuA.

Woah, deja vu.

So how did PC attitudes and Einstein relate to the War again? And how is that different than today and Iraq / Afghanistan?

Why is making the goal of your life the pursuit of women a bad thing? I pursue women all the time. With latex weapons and loud screams, because I’m dresed like a troll at the time, but it’s a lovely goal and fills me with joy. I’m being facetious, can you tell?

How did we know that the girl in question liked it, and that the only two options are to call all intercourse rape or have sex with her, “make her cum a few times” and get your Good Lover Badge? I mean, we weren’t there, so… Oh wait.

That’s where.

Assfax. Legions of Assfax.

Marie
11 years ago

@the black fedora

How would you know? The only ‘pickup artists’ you identify are clueless men who say clueless things. They could be PUA or just clueless.

I know because they come out and say they are pickup artists. Not that hard.

The man who makes you feel the center of the world and quite wonderful on the other hand could also be a PUA but your circular logic discounts this.

Spoiler space: There is no man like this in my life. Spoiler space again: I’m also quite happy that way. Goodbye.

@fibinachi

That push up bra video did do a good job of selling them to me, I kinda want one like that now 😀 Only one’s I’ve seen had the push up bra built in instead of separate, and couldn’t give me a good support with my cup size. Sadly I only understood about half the words.

Marie
11 years ago

@the disigenous fedora

I never said there was anything wrong with push up bras. They are game for girls.

There is also nothing wrong with a man learning to be funny when he is not.

‘cept I don’t wear bras to attract guys. Kthnxbye

Also, there is nothing wrong with a man learning to be funny. What is wrong is a man learning how to be as manipulative as fuck, which is a big part of what puas advocate.

pecunium
11 years ago

At it’s worst PUA outright advocates rape (see Rape Game, and the recommendation that one not use it in the EU, or the US, lest you be arrested for… RAPE).

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

What is a GaoGaiGar?

Strange. Most men in fedoras I’ve met were eager to tout their knowledge of things like GaoGaiGar.

Are sports bras also manipulative?

Marie
11 years ago

@pecunium

Gah. Ew. did not know.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Marie

I have no idea why you keep telling me you are intentionally single. I accept this and it is a valid life choice.

Marie
11 years ago

@augochlorella

Which kinds of sports bras? The ones that make your boobs flat, or the ones with underwire? (mine has underwire, so I need to know if I am manipulating teh menz).

melody
11 years ago

Just ignore the fact that learning how to be funny or learning some jokes isn’t the problem we have with PUAs.

Ignore the fact that we have mention multiple times that the problem is manipulation. And the fact the PUAs sites are often rape apologists. And every other problem.

I hate this false equivalency stuff too.

Marie
11 years ago

@black fedora

I’m not intentionally single. (wtf that means?) I am single, not terribly intentional, just a thing, but even if I wasn’t I”m having a hard time imagining a “man who makes me feel like the center of the universe”. Rather unclear. If you mean boyfriend or whatever just fucking say it, instead of using bs analogies.

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

Not Making My Clothing Decisions About Attracting Men = Being Intentionally Single

Trolls teach me so much.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Marie

You claim that PUA’s admit they are PUA’s and yet you say they are deceptive.

Which is it?

cloudiah
11 years ago

So apparently the only reason a woman could NOT be using her bra to try to attract a dude is because she is/wants to be single.

Lesbians don’t exist.

emilygoddess
11 years ago

@Pecunium are you at Wiscon? If so, I am insanely jealous.

@Fedorka

Actually the scripted stuff is out of fashion anyway. These days it is all about finding the true you and bringing it out.

That’s not PUA, that’s self-help.

How would you know? The only ‘pickup artists’ you identify are clueless men who say clueless things. They could be PUA or just clueless.

But are they true Scotsmen?

Still waiting for you to justify your support of the KKK.

cloudiah
11 years ago

BRAS ARE SUPER POWERFUL AGENTS OF MEN’S DESTRUCTION.

Things I learn on Man Boobz. 😀

Marie
11 years ago

God, Black Fedora you are as dumb as a rock. The ways they use to try to get in bed are as manipulative as fuck. They say all that shit online, and admit to being puas. There is no way to tell if the person you’re talking to is a pua or just an asshole without asking. I know this is hard, but yes, I can judge people for what they fucking type and what they recommend. follow fibinachi’s link. More of your ‘totally safe pua shit’.

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

@ Marie

I was thinking chest-flattening bras, but this is a zombie conversation, so anything goes, really.

emilygoddess
11 years ago

You claim that PUA’s admit they are PUA’s and yet you say they are deceptive.

That’s it, you are officially not smart enough for the level of discussion here.

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