The Men’s Rights subreddit has a new favorite lady! The one in the pictures above, if you haven’t guessed. Her name is Sonia Verstappen, and until recently she was a sex worker in Brussels; she’s also an activist for the legalization of sex work. The stills above are apparently from a documentary called Sex Workers and Proud.
The Men’s Rights Redditors who love her don’t actually know any of this. They just love her because she’s a women who apparently thinks hysterical, man-destroying American lesbians have taken over feminism.
This little set of screenshots has been posted to the Men’s Rights subreddit several times before, and I’m pretty sure it’s always gotten a positive response, but never quite as positive as it’s gotten this time: as I write this, it’s been sitting comfortably in the #1 spot on the subreddit’s main page for some time, and has garnered more than twelve hundred net upvotes. The headline? “Wise words.”
[EDITED TO ADD: I stand corrected: On one previous occasion three months ago, the same collection of screenshots recieved more than 1900 upvotes and generated more than 500 comments, making it the 18th most popular post of all time in the Men’s Rights subreddit. Men’s Rights Redditors can’t get enough of this lady they don’t know anything about!]
The main debate going on amongst the regulars is whether or not the man-hating feminists in question are really lesbians or not. No, really. The regulars have all sorts of interesting theories on the subject. And by “interesting,” I mean “ignorant and homophobic and generally just … well, read it.”
I mean, even setting aside Idiopathic77’s rather limited understanding of the mechanics of lesbian sex (and sex in general, come to think of it), that’s just … weird. I guess this sort of discussion is what happens when you learn about feminism entirely from the Men’s Rights subreddit and YouTube trolls. It’s a bit like learning about Jewish people entirely from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and this clip from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
But where exactly is Whisper here running across all these “lesbian separatists” and heterosexual-women-turned-lesbian-for-political-reasons?
I mean, there was once upon a time in that wild and wacky era called “the seventies” a thing called “political lesbianism” that was based on the idea of lesbianism as a choice, but it got pushed to the fringes fairly quickly, because, you know, sexuality doesn’t really work that way.
Has Whisper developed some sort of time machine? Or do women just declare themselves lesbians when he starts talking to them because it’s a quicker way to get rid of him than giving him a fake phone number? That could also explain those 20% of Florida women who apparently gave Idiopathic77 the impression that they were lesbians of the phony, man-hating sort.
Also, it’s funny that guys like Minty claim that being an asshole is just sooo attractive to all women, when I’ve read that plenty of puas themselves say they get rejected all the time, which shouldn’t happen if being an asshole is so irresistible (to ALL women, remember?).
There was this story in Jezebel a few months ago about a pua named Jeffy who’d been messaging all these women on Ok Cupid in San Francisco. Despite being a pickup guru who’d been teaching guys for years how to attract women, most of the girls who he messaged ignored him, and when he did get a woman back to his place, he threw a fit when she wouldn’t sleep with him.
I remember reading the comments on the article and guys chiming in saying “Well sure he’s an asshole, but his approach works”. This seems to be a common thing with puas. It doesn’t matter if most women they run their “asshole game” routine on think they’re massive tools and avoid them like the plague. As long as a tiny handful of women (if that) end up sleeping with them, they go “SEE this is what ALL women are attracted to!”
There’s a Sex Panther joke in there somewhere.
“I HAZ A NEW GF!” Really, dude?
One women wants to spend time around you and you think it confirms you’re NOT a misogynist? Try again.
The list of things I am more interested in than Minty’s sex life includes… well, everything, honestly. I would rather hear about any other thing.
Minter, get out of here you misogynstic deadbeat dad piece of shit.
I’m sure they’re in love and go for day hikes and drink wine and read poetry to one another.
What on earth was *that*?? I’ve lurked here for a while, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rant quite like it.
Want something random to mock that’s more interesting than Minty? Behold – plushie sex dolls.
http://teddybabestore.com/dolls.html
The vampire one is particularly lulzy.
Note that her pubic hair is shaped like a bat.
http://teddybabestore.com/sonya.html
I call sexism! Where’s my “Vlad – Prince of Darkness” with batshaped pubes?
Well, if you’d settle for a sparklevamp one I’m sure someone on Etsy has probably already made it. Someday it will end up on Regretsy and then the circle of internet life will be complete.
Good to see those dolls having the perfect half-sphere boobs that men are biologically conditioned to love.
What? Your breasts aren’t dome-shaped? Then something must be wrong with them. I cite bad comic book art as my source.
@Cassandra
LOL – I Draw the line a sparklevamps. You gotta have standards, you know?
Since I grew up partly in the Middle East the perfectly dome-shaped boobs always make me think that they should be surrounded by minarets and broadcast the call to prayer. Gotta say, it’s not the sexiest of mental associations.
@LBT – congrats, and that path looks wonderful.
so it seems like radfems are, by definition, transphobic. is this really the case? and did minty’s ex really come on to talk about what a dick he is because…yesss!!
pretty sure that “political lesbianism” is still a thing…
do YOU know how sexuality works, David?
@Dvarghundspossen
My mom did tell me me coming out to her as bi might be ‘just a phase’ >:/ Though for the rest of the conversation she was very supportive and helpful, so it was just an off moment, but blah. Though it was a phase as in a sense of me not staying bi, but rather getting more gay not less. :p God I hope that doesn’t seem super offtopic, just rambling on the closet stuff, super frazzled today, my brother’s helping me get my stuff off my old computer, but it managed to die the rest of the way so he has to get it off the harddrive.
Speaking of which, problem everyone can skip if they don’t want to (don’t want to hijack the thread too much) but anyone have any advice for coming out to possibly homophobic people? idk I mean my dad’s moving in with his fiance, who word of quasi-friend is homophobic, and it’s making me really antsy, cuz I like being out of the closet in places I hang out a lot, though ideally anywhere.
@david
Was that preggo puncho? I can’t keep my old trolls straight.
@markminter
Nobody cares, Marky
Amazing enough to wonder if you pulled this out of your ass, I’d say.
Citation needed! ::throws sparkles, b/c too lazy to link to that gif::
With a special dose of ‘all feminist men are only feminist to get laid!’
….Did marky just become a parody of himself?
@anboy
um…God is referred to with male pronouns, but I’m so waiting for the passage in the bible telling us God’s sexual orientation.
^That should say God is usually referred to with male pronouns. forgot to include part of sentence.
I internalized the “it’s just a phase” biphobic bullshit as well. It made me feel like my sexuality was illegitimate or just something I made up to get people’s attention.
Mark Minter, why come here waving your dingaling in front of all us cat ladies? Like you think at our age we haven’t seen better? Seriously man, if you really were having such a great dating life you wouldn’t come measure pee-pee’s with David for jollies. Despite you being an asshole, strangely I still don’t like you. Go figure.
@Horsey: About those “countering”, “feminist”, and probably “horseshit” as well in your username: Inigo Montoya would like to have a word with you.
Also, does anyone else get the “librul media” vibe from Horsey?
On the topic itself:
This is to be expected. If you have such a strange, outlandish belief system as the sad little guys in the manosphere, anyone who even remotely seems to agree with you will be celebrated. You know, sort of like when you meet that one person who appers to share your pink glitter glue leather underwear fetish, and you get all excited.
Uh… nobody? Just me? Umm.. me neither. *whistles innocently*
@Radical Parrot
Pink glitter leather underwear would be so cute! though probably pretty uncomfortable.
@minty
“Funny how all that Roissy shit seems to work. I was advising this 63 year old guy on dealing with his ex and he just came back and raved at how 100% of what I said and what I said to do was true and worked. Fucking amazing huh?”
Of course it fucking works! No one here has ever question the, er, effectiveness of “game.” Since everyone in game-ville is phobic of intelligent women, strong women, older women, etc, it follows that they are only going after, and are comfortable with young women with self esteem and self worth issues. REAL challenge there, man! Nice work exploiting and manipulating that! And FYI, anyone who responds positively to being “negged” most likely does not have the best self esteem. And you’re a prick.
Questioning game because it doesn’t always work is a bit like questioning attempted murder because the victim doesn’t always end up dead.
Actually many of us do point out that game doesn’t “work”. This isn’t because it doesn’t work on anyone, it’s because PUAs often claim that it works on everyone, and LOLno.