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TyphonBlue: “Aside from the minor … physical effects of abortion surgery, how is forced abortion different for men or women?”

Men suffer from all those stupid lady afflictions too.
Men suffer from all those stupid lady afflictions too.

You may recall that post a couple of days back in which I talked about Dean Esmay of A Voice for Men — the alleged “Men’s Human Rights” site that hosts an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism” section — suggesting that unnamed Man Boobz “minions” might stoop to impersonating female MRAs in an attempt to make the Men’s Rights movement look bad.

As I pointed out at the time, it is the official policy of Man Boobz that the Men’s Rights movement does not need any help making itself look bad, and will not get any from me or my, er, minions. All quotations from MRAs on this site, regardless of gender, are 100% real and not made up by my minions or by me.

Anyway, as if to prove once again that MRAs don’t need any help making fools of themselves, the FeMRA videoblogger known as TyphonBlue — a “senior editor” at AVFM, whatever that means — made some comments over on Reddit recently that I doubt will assist the Men’s Rights movement in its rather half-hearted attempts to improve its poor image.

The trouble began when Ms. Blue — real name, Asha James — proclaimed that there was no such thing as a radical MRA, and someone in the Men’s Rights subreddit challenged her on this assertion, bringing up, among other things, our anti-friendzoning friend from the other day:

questionmon

But it was TyphonBlue’s response that really took the discussion to the next level of WTFery:

typhonfootinmouth
Open mouth, insert foot. Insert other foot. Then shove Paul Elam’s foot in there as well.

An amazing performance there from TyphonBlue, Authentic Female MRA.

(Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to her quotes.)

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Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

@Maude LL and Nepenthe:

she cites a USA today article on male mice release a pheromone when a female mice is pregnant

Are they men or are they mice!? Apparently, they aren’t quite sure!

Okay, seriously though, I have the perfect solution to this problem. Male mice get a say in whether female mice they’ve mated with can have abortions. Male humans can shut up about it.

Another option: if this hormone thing an actual thing that happens to human AMAB people, then let’s come up with some sort of hormonal alteration or replacement or something that they can take if their partner has an abortion! You know, into their own bodies.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

Deniseeliza

Thank you!

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
7 years ago

@deniseeliza

Holy shit, how did you escape the blockquote monster? =O

LOL, this is where it really gets crazy. To make a < show up and not attempt to render as HTML, you gotta type it in as &lt;

AK
AK
7 years ago

Dvarg said:

1. I agree that the following situation would be really shitty for a man: He has sex with a woman, she becomes pregnant by accident, he realizes on hearing this that he totally wants the baby, the woman decides to abort. Yeah, that would be shitty. The woman must STILL be allowed to decide, because any other system is WORSE. Someone has to make the ultimate decision at the end of the day, and “someone else” is clearly worse than “the pregnant woman”.

Exactly. Frankly, I really do feel bad for guys who really want a baby that their partner chooses to abort.* However, that doesn’t mean that they should have the right to force her to have it. Her body, her choice, full stop.

I actually think that this is one of the many ways in which MRAs actually hurt the men they claim to be advocating for. Because the thing is, I am really leery of sticking up for men who are mourning the loss of a terminated pregnancy, because it is such a big MRA issue. It seems like most discussions about abortion are hijacked into “but what rights should the man have?” BS, so I don’t even like to talk about it anymore in most spaces. And that’s actually a really sad thing for men who are struggling to come to grips with their partner’s decision.

*assuming he isn’t abusive or whatever, and is basically a decent person who is mourning.

thecategoricalhousewife said:

How can you say that a man has ANY choice into making a decision about abortion. It may be his sperm, but the woman’s body is NOT his. Thus, only the woman can make a choice in regards to that and what she wants to do with her body.

I agree in a legal sense, but based on my experience, I do think that most couples do discuss the situation and the man does have input. It isn’t his choice, but he’s part of the decision-making process. Not in all situations, of course (especially one-night stands and abusive relationships, for good reason), but in most healthy long-term (or at least longish-term) relationships, the men do wind up having a good amount of input.

I don’t think that’s what you’re arguing, but I want to point it out because I just do not think the situation where a woman runs off and gets an abortion despite her boyfriend/husband’s wishes is all that common, which the MRAs seem to think. I volunteered at Planned Parenthood for years and I’d say that most women who came for abortions came with their partners or mentioned that he supported her decision. Not a scientific study or anything of course, but I just don’t think the man who strenuously objects and is devastated by his partner getting an abortion is really all that common–unless you’re looking at a population of abusers who relish the fact that a pregnancy often makes a woman dependent on the father. Oh, wait. We are talking about MRAs.

Plus, I’ve met men who knew that an abortion was the best choice (either for their partner who they cared about so supported in her decision, or for both people), but still mourned the loss of a potential child. The MRAs don’t seem to have much room for them though, probably because they’re not so interested in talking about how evil women are.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@Aaliyah

I wasn’t aware of the tornadoes in central US. I hope everyone there is safe.

Me either, and I live here! Hope everyone’s okay.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Cis men cannot undergo abortion on account of the fact that they can’t undergo pregnancy. Does TyphonBlue not realize how obvious she’s making the fact that she believes men quite literally own the women they fuck here?

If men who feel that they own the bodies of the women who they’ve fucked find it burdensome to be forced to let go of that iron grip just enough to grant women some basic level of bodily autonomy then honestly? That’s too bad. Owning other people is illegal. Grow up and deal with it.

I’m pretty much out of patience with this shit.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@AK
I see your point about the pain of having your partner abort when you want to keep the child. However, OP’s argument, to have a woman who does not want an abortion be forced to get one if her male partner wants her to (I’m not sure who gets the ultimate decision in a lesbian couple)… I just can’t see any possible charitable angle to that one.

AK
AK
7 years ago

Oh, and regarding breach of promise laws…they actually made sense when women were dependent on men (and thus marriage) for survival. She might be being courted by 4 or 5 men, one proposes, she rejects the other, then the fiance breaks it off and she’s left without prospects and with a damaged reputation that will hurt her ability to get married in the future because it was often assumed that men, being so rational and level-headed, would only break an engagement for good cause. So he’d be doing her measurable harm by leaving her, not just hurting her feelings.

Plus, breach of promise laws were often as much about restoring her reputation as they were about financial damages. If he could prove that he left her for cause, in many areas he would be vindicated and not have to pay damages. So basically a successful breach of promise lawsuit was a way to prove in court that she hadn’t done anything wrong (like being unfaithful or whatever).

Also, yeah, they were never criminal, just civil.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

Forced abortion…ghrmlblbblbmrrh…

Time for baby otters!

AK
AK
7 years ago

@Maude, I agree totally.

And don’t be silly, if a lesbian needed an abortion in MRA world, the sperm donor (even if he was a literal sperm donor, as in she got the sperm from a sperm bank or whatever) would still get to decide whether she got an abortion or not. Because you know, he’s a man and she’s a woman, so how could her decision override his?

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

OsirisFox said what the whole abortion thing is really about for MRA’s, though

What I am saying is that the system needs to be fair. Giving the choice to women to opt out of 18 years of financial commitment, but not the same option to men, doesn’t seem right. Thus we need to think of another solution.

Aaaand it’s back to the paper abortion nonsense again. Wah wah, they’re not allowed to abandon their own children, how unfair! Half of children are boys, by the way. Where is their compassion for all the boys abandoned by deadbeat dads in this paper abortion idea?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

More in the “MRAs don’t need our help to look terrible” department, here’s a r/mensrights thread in which a bunch of MRAs decide that a story which clearly describes a rape is not rape. Trigger Warnings, ahoy:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ep0r9/woman_has_consensual_sex_with_man_changes_her/

Even the r/mr denizens who are willing to call the act described “wrong and a violation of her person” aren’t willing to call it rape. Most believe the story is a troll; apparently they find the idea that someone can withdraw consent while having sex just that outrageous.

Here’s the comment describing the story (again, TRIGGER WARNING):

http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1eopg0/after_2_and_a_half_years_of_court_cases_it/ca2bnv5

Kittehserf
7 years ago

If I had a partner who turned out to be more invested in a potential baby than he was in my health or wellbeing or choice about my body … I suspect he’d soon be an ex-partner.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

The “paper abortion” horseshit makes me incandescent with rage.

becausescience
becausescience
7 years ago

Scenario: Straight man and straight woman becomes friends. Both want a romantic relationship but haven’t made a move yet. They spend time together, the man falls more in love with her, but she realizes that he isn’t her type after all. If “friendzoning” was a breech of contract, then she wouldn’t be allowed to change her mind.

But that’s the point. They don’t want women to have a choice. They want any woman they want to have sex with to be forced to have sex with them. That’s the whole point.

Which makes it all the more bizarre that FeMra’s are even a thing. Do women like Typhonblue, GWW, Erin Pizzey, etc. not realize they’re supporting a “movement” where if many of the members got their way, they would have to sleep with any man who wanted them? Do they rationalize it to themselves that only other women would suffer that fate, and not them? At what point does the “Maybe being a woman supporting a group of men who want women as sex slaves is not such a good idea” internal conversation happen?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I think you’re giving them credit for much higher self-esteem than they actually have.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Where is their compassion for all the boys abandoned by deadbeat dads in this paper abortion idea?

I’ve actually seen them parody calls for compassion for abandoned kids by saying “WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDRENZ” hur hur hur.

@Tulgey, It’s not just r/mr that is being terrible. Everyone on the original AdviceAnimals thread is pretty terrible.

Apparently saying “no” or “stop” during sex just starts a clock ticking, but you must give a dude a reasonable amount of time to stop. “Reasonable amount of time” of course is whatever amount of time it takes for the guy to feel like stopping, because women don’t reason. They are so disgusting.

AK
AK
7 years ago

The “paper abortion” thing is especially ridiculous when you consider that they hate single mothers and women who receive government benefits to feed their families. So they want to be able to abandon a child if they want, but also want single mothers (and their children!) to suffer and starve?

AK
AK
7 years ago

Ah, hit “reply” too soon. I was going to add, “Why, it’s almost like they just want to be able to do whatever they want with no consequences!”

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@becausescience

Do they rationalize it to themselves that only other women would suffer that fate, and not them?

I think the answer is “yes”. Maybe because they assume they’ll be on “team-dude” if this happens (which it won’t, except maybe on Reddit Island).

cloudiah
7 years ago

Also, if anyone has an interest in the internal workings of the MRM, AVfM has an article up about what sounds like a messy split in MRA London. These kinds of internal messes are common in any organization with more than 1 person in it, of course, but it does sound like there is MUCH ego involved, unsurprisingly.

Here’s the link:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/a-very-british-coup/

Comments are interesting, and some of their “luminaries” are calling for the story to be taken down so it may not be up for long.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

So they want to be able to abandon a child if they want, but also want single mothers (and their children!) to suffer and starve?

Yep, that’s what they want. And remember, half of those children are boys, so they can change the slogan “Compassion for men and boys” to be “Compassion for the tiny number of white, cis, heterosexual men who agree with all of the MRA talking points”.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

More in the “MRAs don’t need our help to look terrible” department, here’s a r/mensrights thread in which a bunch of MRAs decide that a story which clearly describes a rape is not rape. Trigger Warnings, ahoy:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ep0r9/woman_has_consensual_sex_with_man_changes_her/

Even the r/mr denizens who are willing to call the act described “wrong and a violation of her person” aren’t willing to call it rape. Most believe the story is a troll; apparently they find the idea that someone can withdraw consent while having sex just that outrageous.

Here’s the comment describing the story (again, TRIGGER WARNING):

http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1eopg0/after_2_and_a_half_years_of_court_cases_it/ca2bnv5

A rape that lasts for a minute and ends with an apology is somehow not rape according to these people? WTF

I really regret reading that. Yet another reason for me to hate Reddit.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I’m no longer surprised by the fact that these guys frame things as “how much rape can I get away with?” rather than “how do I avoid raping people?”.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

I’m no longer surprised by the fact that these guys frame things as “how much rape can I get away with?” rather than “how do I avoid raping people?”.

That’s probably because they either feel that only those other guys are rapists or think that rape is okay at least some of the time. Or both.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

It’s because they don’t care whether or not they rape people, they’d just rather not get arrested.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
7 years ago

Do they rationalize it to themselves that only other women would suffer that fate, and not them?

I think they believe they will be married. If you are married you already belong to someone and so another guy demanding sex from you would be stealing.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Speaking of severe weather, are any manboobzers in Moore, OK? If you’re in Oklahoma City or the southern suburbs, please check in. I’m reading online about the mile wide tornado on the ground. I don’t have the weather channel but my brother does and he said he’s watching it live on the air right now.

cloudiah
7 years ago

All the Trigger Warnings!

typhonblue is really on a roll today. Here she is commenting on a r/mr thread about that AdviceAnimals thread:

He did not consent to rape, therefore his consent was withdrawn the moment hers was–if she failed to clearly inform him of a fact that would change his consent to the sex act, then she was raping him

There is simply nothing she won’t twist to blame a woman. What a piece of shit she is.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Typhonblue doesn’t make any sense. He did not consent to rape? When someone rapes someone, they are making their own choice. That’s what the word means. WTF?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Wait, what? He did not consent to rape therefore she raped him by feeling or saying that he raped her?

TyphonBlue has broken my brain. If she keeps this up I’ll end up as dumb as she is.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

[continued TW]

“He did not consent to rape, therefore his consent was withdrawn the moment hers was–if she failed to clearly inform him of a fact that would change his consent to the sex act, then she was raping him”

Are
You
Fucking
Kidding me

cloudiah
7 years ago

But see, all the woman has to do to change rape into not-rape is to consent, so clearly women are responsible for all rape.

I think she might actually believe this. I am sure she would not extend that … “logic” … to men who are raped.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Brain also broken here. I’m going to try rebooting with a pot of lemon verbena tea and some kitten videos.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Quick, someone tell me a joke. Not a rape joke.

…Can the kittens be tearing something to pieces with their tiny little claws?

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Even if he didn’t hear her clearly (which cannot simply be assumed here like all the MRA dipshits are doing), he would still be consenting to the act itself. That’s what consensual sex is (on his side, I mean – obviously it’s still rape).

She can’t be this stupid. Surely her reasons for saying that are rooted in hatred. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but she’s even worse than GGW.

pecunium
7 years ago

The “paper abortion” horseshit makes me incandescent with rage.

Me too.

pecunium
7 years ago

He did not consent to rape, therefore his consent was withdrawn the moment hers was–if she failed to clearly inform him of a fact that would change his consent to the sex act, then she was raping him.

Muddy thinking, married to zero reason.

She means, “he didn’t intend to rape”. Then she takes that to some oddball place where, since he didn’t intend to rape her, and it didn’t start out as rape, she’s at fault if, when she informs him of her withdrawn consent; he fails to accept it, and keeps going.

That’s where the rape happens. It’s not that, the momemt she says, “stop” it’s rape. It’s the moment he doesn’t move to cease having sex.

There is a gap, but it’s not temporal, it’s volitional. One person says “stop”, the other stops. If they don’t stop, then it’s rape.

But Typhonblue seems to have a weak grasp of human agency. That someone might change the way they feel about having sex is, apparently, only possible out of malice.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

No wonder Typhon Blue thinks there are no extremist MRAs. From her perspective, almost everyone but her is downright milquetoast.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Cat tearing something to pieces:

Curlyfries
Curlyfries
7 years ago

Oh man, the MRM sure does love them some false equivialcies, don’t they? It’s like a soft, comfortable teddy bear they can hug tightly when they get spooked by logic, facts, and basic human decency.

And it seems Ms. Blue has completely erased men who don’t stay with their pregnant partners. I highly doubt a man undergoes hormonal changes when there’s no contact between him and the person he impregnated.

Lastly a giant middle finger in the direction of anyone who believes abortion is like having a tooth pulled. It’s not. Not even close.

cloudiah
7 years ago

More ferrets (but sans hedgies, sadly):

cloudiah
7 years ago

This isn’t really working. Brain is still broken.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Quick, someone tell me a joke.

Here’s some jokes.

Q: What did the baby corn say to the mama corn?

A: Where’s Pop corn?

Q: What do you call a shoe made out of banana peels?

A: A slipper!

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

He did not consent to rape, therefore his consent was withdrawn the moment hers was–if she failed to clearly inform him of a fact that would change his consent to the sex act, then she was raping him

I think what TyphonBlue is trying to communicate is a revolutionary method to reduce the rape rate to 0%. Let’s make rape impossible by definition, and voila! no more rape. That’s the crux of the MRA technique of problem-solving…

…Gasp! Ferrets with hedgehogs!

Yoyo
Yoyo
7 years ago

Typhonbluck reminds me of the horrible comments from (I suspect MRAs) that angelina jollies breast cancer problem was due to having too many abortions!

These people do so love to fuck about with abortion stories/scares and scams.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Q. Where does a king keep his armies?

A. Up his sleevies!

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

I’m overwhelmed right now watching the footage out of Moore. It’s devastating. I think it looks worse even than Joplin. It had to have been an F5.