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TyphonBlue: “Aside from the minor … physical effects of abortion surgery, how is forced abortion different for men or women?”

Men suffer from all those stupid lady afflictions too.
Men suffer from all those stupid lady afflictions too.

You may recall that post a couple of days back in which I talked about Dean Esmay of A Voice for Men — the alleged “Men’s Human Rights” site that hosts an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism” section — suggesting that unnamed Man Boobz “minions” might stoop to impersonating female MRAs in an attempt to make the Men’s Rights movement look bad.

As I pointed out at the time, it is the official policy of Man Boobz that the Men’s Rights movement does not need any help making itself look bad, and will not get any from me or my, er, minions. All quotations from MRAs on this site, regardless of gender, are 100% real and not made up by my minions or by me.

Anyway, as if to prove once again that MRAs don’t need any help making fools of themselves, the FeMRA videoblogger known as TyphonBlue — a “senior editor” at AVFM, whatever that means — made some comments over on Reddit recently that I doubt will assist the Men’s Rights movement in its rather half-hearted attempts to improve its poor image.

The trouble began when Ms. Blue — real name, Asha James — proclaimed that there was no such thing as a radical MRA, and someone in the Men’s Rights subreddit challenged her on this assertion, bringing up, among other things, our anti-friendzoning friend from the other day:

questionmon

But it was TyphonBlue’s response that really took the discussion to the next level of WTFery:

typhonfootinmouth
Open mouth, insert foot. Insert other foot. Then shove Paul Elam’s foot in there as well.

An amazing performance there from TyphonBlue, Authentic Female MRA.

(Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to her quotes.)

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Catfish
Catfish
7 years ago

WhatisthisIdoneven….

wordsp1nner
7 years ago

Ummm…

The fact that it is the woman’s body that is undergoing the abortion (or, you know, menstrual cramps).

Also, I’ve never understood how the “men’s choices” regarding abortion were supposed to work. There are two people, so if they disagree, something has to break the tie. Are ties supposed to be decided for abortion, or against it, or does the man get the tie-breaking vote? But that’s just equivalent to saying the man decides…

Hey! Next time someone asks about this, we’ll tell them that men do have a vote, it is just that women have the tie-breaking vote because it is their body.

O/T awesomsauce: I graduated yesterday and our commencement speaker was Eric Idle! (His daughter was one of my classmates.)They videotaped the ceremony, and posted video of both his address and him playing “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life” after diplomas handed out here: http://www.whitman.edu/academics/academic-calendar/commencement.

I HAD THE BEST GRADUATION SPEAKER EVER!!

tarnishedsophia
7 years ago

The stupid. Oh the stupid…
Gods, why does it burn us so?! 🙁

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

“Breech of promise”

I assume that these are the pants that catch fire when, per the famous rhyme, you lie.

thecategoricalhousewife

What is wrong with her? And she honestly believes this crap? Oh I forget it is the MEN in our society, NOT women who get raped in large umbers.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Nope, sorry, TyphonBlue’s babble about abortion being the same for the people who’re not pregnant as the people who are doesn’t make any sense no matter how many different angles you gawk at it in abject horror from.

thecategoricalhousewife

@ wordsp1nner

How can you say that a man has ANY choice into making a decision about abortion. It may be his sperm, but the woman’s body is NOT his. Thus, only the woman can make a choice in regards to that and what she wants to do with her body.

Fade
7 years ago

MRAs and FeMRAs: view a (potential) baby as property, so it would be both the man and the woman losing their “property” in the case of an abortion. Except women are also property, so it was awful magnanimous of typhonblue to not say that men suffer more from abortion instead of the same amount.

*facepalm*

wordsp1nner
7 years ago

thecategoricalhousewife,

I’m not actually saying men should have the right. I’m saying that with only two people involved, either they both agree or there is a tie, and something has to break the tie, and so there isn’t really a good way to let men have a choice even if it was moral.

Letting women make the choice is effectively the same as letting men have a vote and then giving the extra tie-breaking vote to the woman, so I was joking we should tell MRAs that is how it works.

But I fully agree: her body, her choice. Except when he’s pregnant, in which case it is his body, his choice.

Andrew Johnston
7 years ago

Breach of promise? What century is this? Also, there’s the minor fact that it was a civil tort, not a criminal law.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I love it when MRAs go “yeah, that law from the past that we got rid of because society as a whole eventually decided it was a terrible idea – we should bring that back in a new and equally terrible form”.

hekatesgal (@hekatesgal)

I know that when I went through pregnancy and labor, and, even when I had my (or should I say our) gall bladder out, my husband suffered exactly as much as I did.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Oh, you mean the breach of promise laws that are clear remnants of patriarchy and which no longer exist in the United States? You’re gonna go ahead and blame feminism for that shit, too, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_promise

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

I wonder if TyphonBlue also believes the forced removal of testicles under anesthesia is as difficult for men as it is for women. There can be sound medical reasons (cancer) for a surgery like that, yet I personally think it’s ultimately the man’s decision.
I guess I just learned that some people advocate for the loss of bodily autonomy in the name of equality. No thank you, I won’t go to your clinic.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@Chie Satonaka
Of course, patriarchal societies are a secret feminist plot developed in ancient times, so that women could wait for a few thousands years, falsely claim oppression and become professional victims.
It’s an almost flawless plan, but no one fools the MHRrghrghmlblM.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Aside from the minor(and they are minor, far less than getting a tooth extracted) physical effects of abortion surgery, how is forced abortion different for men or women? Men already undergo forced abortion and considering that men’s bodies also hormonally prime them for fatherhood… equating forcing abortion on men and women is not far-fetched.

I am rolling my eyes so hard right now. What in the world? Okay, I will agree that cis men can experience pregnancy like symptoms if they are around a pregnant person. Couvade syndrome, or sympathetic pregnancy, is a real thing. However, I will not accept someone claiming that couvade syndrome is in the same ballpark as a real pregnancy. The same goes for miscarriage, abortion, and childbirth.

Oh, and while I do believe couvade syndrome is real, I do not think cis men should use that as a way to take all the attention and sympathy away from their pregnant wives and girlfriends. That is a selfish and crappy thing to do.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

If due process was being eroded for any other crime, you wouldn’t even be arguing against his stance.

Why is rape different?

!. Citation needed that due process is being eroded.
2. Yes, we would be arguing. If I felt that, for example, due process was being eroded for murder, I would not be telling juries to break their oath and go letting blatantly guilty murderers off to go kill again as some form of protest. That would be reckless and stupid. Why should rape be any different?

Grrr.

2-D Man
2-D Man
7 years ago

“Breech of promise”

I assume that these are the pants that catch fire when, per the famous rhyme, you lie.

Such is why the stupid, it burns.

Grumpycatisagirl
Grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

How is “friendzoning” even remotely comparable to any kind of breach of promise, legal or otherwise? Am I promising to provide sex and/or romantic companionship to any man who wants it simply by existing? I didn’t promise to be born.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Men already undergo forced abortion and considering that men’s bodies also hormonally prime them for fatherhood…equating forcing abortion on men and women is not far-fetched.

So apparently hormonal changes in the cis man’s body as a result of the cis woman’s abortion are exactly the same as termination of the cis man’s pregnancy.

I wonder if she knows that what she’s proposing essentially allows a potential cis father to have absolute control over the cis mother’s uterus. I’m sure she does because MRAs tend to be that fucking horrible.

If due process was being eroded for any other crime, you wouldn’t even be arguing against his stance. Why is rape different?

Except he’s not arguing for due process; he’s arguing for essentially making rape legal until things get better.

Am I still supposed to take this movement seriously? WTF

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@Aaliyah
“Except he’s not arguing for due process; he’s arguing for essentially making rape legal until things get better.”
Oddly enough, I’m pretty sure TyphonBlue is a cis woman.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Men already undergo forced abortion and considering that men’s bodies also hormonally prime them for fatherhood…equating forcing abortion on men and women is not far-fetched.

Uh… it’s so far-fetched, it’s damn near science fiction.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

@Aaliyah
“Except he’s not arguing for due process; he’s arguing for essentially making rape legal until things get better.”
Oddly enough, I’m pretty sure TyphonBlue is a cis woman.

‘He’ refers to Paul Elam.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

In the thread, when asked to support her assertion that men go through biological changes in response to their partner being pregnant, she cites a USA today article on male mice release a pheromone when a female mice is pregnant (I guess the USA today is kind of like an academic paper to many MRAs). She goes on: “since men do undergo hormonal changes when a woman becomes pregnant, it stands to reason that he also undergoes hormonal changes when she ceases to be pregnant.” Replying to someone writing that you still cannot compare the two, she goes: “The end effect of a “forced abortion” is psychological after the physical injury has healed. There is no reason, at this time, to think that losing a wanted child–or undergoing the hormonal shift from “expectant parent” to “non-expectant” parent is any different for males or females.”

It boggles the mind how some people believe that the only objection to a violation of bodily autonomy is related to light psychological distress. It reminds me of the “thought experiment” about the Steubenville rape case a few months ago in which the writer (I forgot his name) compared laws against the rape of an unconscious person was comparable to laws against pornography and regulations against resource extraction in national parks. His conclusion: they’re all the same because they are all made because “someone is offended”.

But the fact that a woman may believe this reminds me of the “the only right abortion is my abortion” disconnect from anti-choice people.
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
I suspect that one believes that forced abortions are cool as long as it doesn’t happen to them personally. But hey, I could be wrong.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@Aaliyah
Oh right, I didn’t get that it was referring to his rape thing.

pecunium
7 years ago

So… if due process for murder were being eroded (which it is), and/or unfair convictions were being obtained; as a matter of structural routing which it is we are to believe no one would think “acquit everyone, even if you think they are guilty, until it gets fixed” wouldn’t be, “radical”?

This is why we don’t have to “False flag” them. Their true colors are obvious.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@sadstinkappleeye

I dunno, that website seems pretty racist to me. I don’t know this case in particular, but your link gives me about the impression I get when I read an article about the elite homosexual agenda controlling the White House.

cloudiah
7 years ago

I was just going to point out that TyphonBlue keeps digging herself deeper in the thread, but I see Maude LL has already done that.

Is she just being “edgy” or is this what she actually believes? And if she really believes it (because USA Today + mice = SCIENCE), does she also believe that forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy for 9 months and then go through childbirth is just a small price to pay to prevent men’s hormones from fluctuating?

Aaliyah
7 years ago

“What I know is that one abortion clinic offered psychological counselling for men undergoing abortion and ended up having to close the program because it was flooded.”

1) Cis men don’t undergo abortion
2) That they sought psychological counseling doesn’t mean that they sought it because of their own “abortion.”

MRAs might as well be called as stupid as young earth creationists.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

she cites a USA today article on male mice release a pheromone when a female mice is pregnant

Are they men or are they mice!? Apparently, they aren’t quite sure!

Okay, seriously though, I have the perfect solution to this problem. Male mice get a say in whether female mice they’ve mated with can have abortions. Male humans can shut up about it.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Hey, I hope all manboobzers in the central US are okay. Damn tornadoes. Scary.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Typhonblue also said

Facing a forced abortion is monstrous for anyone, male or female. That’s the burden men bear to grant women authority over their own bodies. You can believe in women’s right to bodily autonomy and believe that it’s a sacrifice on the part of men to uphold it.

So it’s a “sacrifice” for men that women have bodily autonomy. Is this a sacrifice for anyone else who knows a pregnant person that makes a decision they don’t like? If a young woman gets an abortion against her parents’ wishes, does that mean they made a sacrifice?

Typhonblue really is the champion of taking everything about women and other people with uteruses, and making it to be about cis men.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

Yeah, that thread is kind of a goldmine (I need to remember how to quote properly… something like [quote] my quote [quote]? Isn’t there a / somewhere? Can’t remember. 🙂

Check this one out: this is OsirisFox, right after mentioning that women use teh vagina to control men:

“We’re getting to the point where both partners will need to sign a pre coitus binding “agreement” before they have sex. Sounds like a joke, but that’s where this reality is heading. That kind of takes out all the fun of it though, but that it seems is the only way people might have to protect themselves eventually.
That is feminism. Removing all color from life and making it uniform and compliant. I really do love that saying that Feminism is socialism in panties, and thus easier for people to accept.”

It’s not fair! Now “mocking misogyny” only consists of copy/pasting!

cloudiah
7 years ago

She also implies that women only have bodily autonomy because men “grant” it to them. (Presumably she is only thinking about cis men/women here.)

cloudiah
7 years ago

Ninja’d by thebionicmommy!

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Ugh, the Genarlow Wilson case. It was Steubenville. Guy rapes an unconscious 17 year old girl, and the same night, has consensual oral sex with an underage girl. The prosecution can’t get a conviction for the rape of the unconscious girl, because obviously she was asking for it, being all unconscious and shit. So they get a conviction for the underage girl. And the media ONLY REPORTS ON THE BLOW JOB.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

@cloudiah, so far so good here. I’m keeping an eye on things, have my text alerts set up, and have my NOAA weather radio on. Last night a twister formed but it went about 30 miles NE of Joplin, and here we only got a severe storm that made us briefly lose power. I will keep my fingers crossed that we will be lucky again tonight.

If your area has a torcon index of 5 or higher, keep your heads up. Have your safe spot picked and stocked with your emergency survival gear. Before the storm hits, put on work boots, too, so that you don’t have to walk barefoot on debris afterwards.

storm tips from MEMA

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

@Maude LL

Read a bit closer.

Site motto: Unapologetic, Uncompromising, and Unbowed in defense of Black women and girls.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@ Chie Satonaka
Oh, I did not know the names of the guys who didn’t get convicted. Bleah.
Still, the “elite black conspiracy” part of that website is kind of repulsive too.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

@Maude LL

I understand the anger about the Wilson case. The media completely focused on the statutory rape and not the second rape that he committed that night. And he even goes on Oprah, where they continue to push the false narrative about what he did! It’s pretty infuriating.

So now several years later we’ve had several other high profile rape cases with similar circumstances — Steubenville, and this other case in Connecticut (I think?). And we’re still having this debate about whether it even is rape to “have sex” with a person who is unconscious/blacked out.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@ Nepenthe
“Site motto: Unapologetic, Uncompromising, and Unbowed in defense of Black women and girls.”

They might want to add: “except for Black women journalists”.

Regardless, the Steubenville case is a prime example of rape culture. I just think that this particular article is pretty terrible.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

I wasn’t aware of the tornadoes in central US. I hope everyone there is safe.

That is feminism. Removing all color from life and making it uniform and compliant. I really do love that saying that Feminism is socialism in panties, and thus easier for people to accept.”

“Socialism in panties?” Wow. I really, really hope that doesn’t become a popular phrase among MRAs.

Also, I just looked at r/mr again, and the suggested reading list, in addition to listing Warren Farrell’s famous book, also lists The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker and two books by Christina Hoff Sommers.

Maybe I’m being harsh, but even if the MRM weren’t horribly bigoted and problematic, the fact that a major hotspot for MRAs lists books by Pinker and Hoff Sommers as recommended reading material would still be a good enough reason to ridicule the movement. Seriously, those two authors are obsessed with straw men and informal fallacies.

Maude LL
Maude LL
7 years ago

@ Chie
I’m not always familiar with American cases (I’m in Canada), and definitely not with the Wilson thing.
But yeah, it’s pretty sad how the narrative of these cases revolves around the poor rapist (they don’t call them rapists) who now have their lives ruined because the victim dared to speak out.
Damn, even in the Castro case, some douches have found ways to blame the women for getting kidnapped in their teens.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Hm, seems like my last comment got eaten by my faulty internet. Take it again:

1. I agree that the following situation would be really shitty for a man: He has sex with a woman, she becomes pregnant by accident, he realizes on hearing this that he totally wants the baby, the woman decides to abort. Yeah, that would be shitty. The woman must STILL be allowed to decide, because any other system is WORSE. Someone has to make the ultimate decision at the end of the day, and “someone else” is clearly worse than “the pregnant woman”.

2. The breech of promise thing… it’s all over again this phenomenon Cliff has often complained about in zir blog. MRA:s write stupid shit like “the female equivalent of a man with lots of money is a woman with lots of beauty”. No it’s not! The female equivalent of a man with lots of money is a woman with lots of money!
Likewise, the female equivalent of a man who promises to marry someone and then breaks that promise is clearly not a woman who “friendzones” a man but a WOMAN who promises to marry someone and then breaks that promise.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Lol, acting like abortion is a single procedure. My word, is she dumb. The various procedures used to terminate pregnancies at different times have different physical effects and I’ll let you in on a secret: I’ll take having a tooth pulled over an early vacuum aspiration (that’s an easy one) any damn day. The procedure is more bearable as is the recovery for me. I can handle pain. Cramping and nausea I’m less good with.

But thank goodness we’re only talking about mice here anyways. Phew. I was worried for a moment.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

The whole idea of calling an abortion that a pregnant person voluntarily gets a “forced abortion” simply because someone else was emotionally invested in the pregnancy tells you everything about MRAs.

Whenever Typhon Blue comes up, I like to mention her greatest hit—at least, in terms of ridiculosity—so behold the article in which she argues that learning how to please penises raises women above the level of livestock:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/how-a-limp-dick-can-save-the-world/

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
7 years ago

@Maude LL

<blockquote>Stuff somebody else said</blockquote>

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Even if it was the government’s job to outlaw “friendzoning” as a breech of promise, that would mean people wouldn’t have the right to change their minds about sex and relationships. It would also make it illegal to break up with someone or get a divorce.

Scenario: Straight man and straight woman becomes friends. Both want a romantic relationship but haven’t made a move yet. They spend time together, the man falls more in love with her, but she realizes that he isn’t her type after all. If “friendzoning” was a breech of contract, then she wouldn’t be allowed to change her mind.

And I don’t care why she decided not to have the relationship. If she feels like it would get in the way of her personal plans, that’s fine. If she doesn’t like something trivial about him, that’s fine, too. She doesn’t owe an explanation to anybody to not have sex or enter a relationship.

This also works in reverse, for poly relationships, and LGBT partners as well.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

@deniseeliza

Holy shit, how did you escape the blockquote monster? =O

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