You may recall that post a couple of days back in which I talked about Dean Esmay of A Voice for Men — the alleged “Men’s Human Rights” site that hosts an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism” section — suggesting that unnamed Man Boobz “minions” might stoop to impersonating female MRAs in an attempt to make the Men’s Rights movement look bad.
As I pointed out at the time, it is the official policy of Man Boobz that the Men’s Rights movement does not need any help making itself look bad, and will not get any from me or my, er, minions. All quotations from MRAs on this site, regardless of gender, are 100% real and not made up by my minions or by me.
Anyway, as if to prove once again that MRAs don’t need any help making fools of themselves, the FeMRA videoblogger known as TyphonBlue — a “senior editor” at AVFM, whatever that means — made some comments over on Reddit recently that I doubt will assist the Men’s Rights movement in its rather half-hearted attempts to improve its poor image.
The trouble began when Ms. Blue — real name, Asha James — proclaimed that there was no such thing as a radical MRA, and someone in the Men’s Rights subreddit challenged her on this assertion, bringing up, among other things, our anti-friendzoning friend from the other day:
But it was TyphonBlue’s response that really took the discussion to the next level of WTFery:
Open mouth, insert foot. Insert other foot. Then shove Paul Elam’s foot in there as well.
An amazing performance there from TyphonBlue, Authentic Female MRA.
(Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to her quotes.)
WhatisthisIdoneven….
Ummm…
The fact that it is the woman’s body that is undergoing the abortion (or, you know, menstrual cramps).
Also, I’ve never understood how the “men’s choices” regarding abortion were supposed to work. There are two people, so if they disagree, something has to break the tie. Are ties supposed to be decided for abortion, or against it, or does the man get the tie-breaking vote? But that’s just equivalent to saying the man decides…
Hey! Next time someone asks about this, we’ll tell them that men do have a vote, it is just that women have the tie-breaking vote because it is their body.
O/T awesomsauce: I graduated yesterday and our commencement speaker was Eric Idle! (His daughter was one of my classmates.)They videotaped the ceremony, and posted video of both his address and him playing “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life” after diplomas handed out here: http://www.whitman.edu/academics/academic-calendar/commencement.
I HAD THE BEST GRADUATION SPEAKER EVER!!
The stupid. Oh the stupid…
Gods, why does it burn us so?! 🙁
“Breech of promise”
I assume that these are the pants that catch fire when, per the famous rhyme, you lie.
What is wrong with her? And she honestly believes this crap? Oh I forget it is the MEN in our society, NOT women who get raped in large umbers.
Nope, sorry, TyphonBlue’s babble about abortion being the same for the people who’re not pregnant as the people who are doesn’t make any sense no matter how many different angles you gawk at it in abject horror from.
@ wordsp1nner
How can you say that a man has ANY choice into making a decision about abortion. It may be his sperm, but the woman’s body is NOT his. Thus, only the woman can make a choice in regards to that and what she wants to do with her body.
MRAs and FeMRAs: view a (potential) baby as property, so it would be both the man and the woman losing their “property” in the case of an abortion. Except women are also property, so it was awful magnanimous of typhonblue to not say that men suffer more from abortion instead of the same amount.
*facepalm*
thecategoricalhousewife,
I’m not actually saying men should have the right. I’m saying that with only two people involved, either they both agree or there is a tie, and something has to break the tie, and so there isn’t really a good way to let men have a choice even if it was moral.
Letting women make the choice is effectively the same as letting men have a vote and then giving the extra tie-breaking vote to the woman, so I was joking we should tell MRAs that is how it works.
But I fully agree: her body, her choice. Except when he’s pregnant, in which case it is his body, his choice.
Breach of promise? What century is this? Also, there’s the minor fact that it was a civil tort, not a criminal law.
I love it when MRAs go “yeah, that law from the past that we got rid of because society as a whole eventually decided it was a terrible idea – we should bring that back in a new and equally terrible form”.
I know that when I went through pregnancy and labor, and, even when I had my (or should I say our) gall bladder out, my husband suffered exactly as much as I did.
Oh, you mean the breach of promise laws that are clear remnants of patriarchy and which no longer exist in the United States? You’re gonna go ahead and blame feminism for that shit, too, huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_promise
I wonder if TyphonBlue also believes the forced removal of testicles under anesthesia is as difficult for men as it is for women. There can be sound medical reasons (cancer) for a surgery like that, yet I personally think it’s ultimately the man’s decision.
I guess I just learned that some people advocate for the loss of bodily autonomy in the name of equality. No thank you, I won’t go to your clinic.
@Chie Satonaka
Of course, patriarchal societies are a secret feminist plot developed in ancient times, so that women could wait for a few thousands years, falsely claim oppression and become professional victims.
It’s an almost flawless plan, but no one fools the MHRrghrghmlblM.
I am rolling my eyes so hard right now. What in the world? Okay, I will agree that cis men can experience pregnancy like symptoms if they are around a pregnant person. Couvade syndrome, or sympathetic pregnancy, is a real thing. However, I will not accept someone claiming that couvade syndrome is in the same ballpark as a real pregnancy. The same goes for miscarriage, abortion, and childbirth.
Oh, and while I do believe couvade syndrome is real, I do not think cis men should use that as a way to take all the attention and sympathy away from their pregnant wives and girlfriends. That is a selfish and crappy thing to do.
!. Citation needed that due process is being eroded.
2. Yes, we would be arguing. If I felt that, for example, due process was being eroded for murder, I would not be telling juries to break their oath and go letting blatantly guilty murderers off to go kill again as some form of protest. That would be reckless and stupid. Why should rape be any different?
Grrr.
Such is why the stupid, it burns.
How is “friendzoning” even remotely comparable to any kind of breach of promise, legal or otherwise? Am I promising to provide sex and/or romantic companionship to any man who wants it simply by existing? I didn’t promise to be born.
So apparently hormonal changes in the cis man’s body as a result of the cis woman’s abortion are exactly the same as termination of the cis man’s pregnancy.
I wonder if she knows that what she’s proposing essentially allows a potential cis father to have absolute control over the cis mother’s uterus. I’m sure she does because MRAs tend to be that fucking horrible.
Except he’s not arguing for due process; he’s arguing for essentially making rape legal until things get better.
Am I still supposed to take this movement seriously? WTF
@Aaliyah
“Except he’s not arguing for due process; he’s arguing for essentially making rape legal until things get better.”
Oddly enough, I’m pretty sure TyphonBlue is a cis woman.
Uh… it’s so far-fetched, it’s damn near science fiction.
‘He’ refers to Paul Elam.
If someone denies rape culture exists, give them this prime example.
http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com/waod/2013/5/20/genarlow-wilson-the-most-ungrateful-and-entitled-child-rapis.html
In the thread, when asked to support her assertion that men go through biological changes in response to their partner being pregnant, she cites a USA today article on male mice release a pheromone when a female mice is pregnant (I guess the USA today is kind of like an academic paper to many MRAs). She goes on: “since men do undergo hormonal changes when a woman becomes pregnant, it stands to reason that he also undergoes hormonal changes when she ceases to be pregnant.” Replying to someone writing that you still cannot compare the two, she goes: “The end effect of a “forced abortion” is psychological after the physical injury has healed. There is no reason, at this time, to think that losing a wanted child–or undergoing the hormonal shift from “expectant parent” to “non-expectant” parent is any different for males or females.”
It boggles the mind how some people believe that the only objection to a violation of bodily autonomy is related to light psychological distress. It reminds me of the “thought experiment” about the Steubenville rape case a few months ago in which the writer (I forgot his name) compared laws against the rape of an unconscious person was comparable to laws against pornography and regulations against resource extraction in national parks. His conclusion: they’re all the same because they are all made because “someone is offended”.
But the fact that a woman may believe this reminds me of the “the only right abortion is my abortion” disconnect from anti-choice people.
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
I suspect that one believes that forced abortions are cool as long as it doesn’t happen to them personally. But hey, I could be wrong.