When I posted about WF Price’s viciously transphobic Mothers’ Day post on The Spearhead yesterday, the Spearhead commentariat had not yet weighed in on his post. Well, now they have, and so appallingly that I felt a second post was in order. Here are some of the, er, highlights of the discussion.
Again, a TRIGGER WARNING applies; if anything, these comments are worse than Price’s original post. This hasn’t made them unpopular at The Spearhead; quite the contrary: all the comments quoted below were well received by Spearhead readers, receiving multiple upvotes. A couple of them were even rated “Well-loved.”
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Alcestis Eshtemoa compares trans women, unfavorably, to eunuchs:
Transexuals/Transgenders are part of the LGBTQPPI freak show. Transexual “women” are de-facto mutilated or castrated men, on a much lower level than eunuchs even. Sure a couple of people may be born “inter-sexed” but most (in general) are not born or made that way. There are two sexes and they are complementary.
Instead it’s the delusional cosplay “I’m a woman in a man’s body” (sure and I’m really Napoleon reincarnated or Marilyn Monroe in a hideous, ill-mannered woman’s body). It’s a form of narcissism, the worse kind even, because these people don’t play their parts well. Instead the solipsism is projected elsewhere.
El Bastardo seems to think that feminists are all as transphobic as he is:
I can’t wait for all the liars, whom calling themselves feminists, have to face this genius who cut his own junk off. As soon as he says they are “equal” in motherhood, they are going to have to contain their laughter and scorn. A “Saaaayyy whaaaaattt?” moment. Followed by “Oh, HELL NAH!”
I actually feel for this individual, though the “suffering” is self inflicted. He, or perhaps she or it, has now set himself and his family up for years of delicious pain for his moronic self indulgence.
Truly, the feminists who raised him, for that is the evil and solipsistic individuals his parents (or at least his mother and wife) had to have been. They destroyed who he was, and cheered him on as he jumped into an abyss for which there is no return.
Now his sons have endured a wound they may never be able to articulate, but incubate with pain and confusion their whole lives. For if their father, now having turned and claimed to being a woman, hated his masculinity in such a fashion; what are they left to think?
Keyster also manages to pull off the neat trick of attacking transphobic feminists — well, he assumes all feminists are transphobic — in a comment that is itself transphobic, not to mention massively misogynistic:
Feminists hate transexuals because they “mock” womanhood; pretend to be women, when actually the massive doses of estrogen is what reveals the classic female behavior that sometimes annoys and frustrates men so much.
Also more often than not transexuals abhor masculinity so much that they actually consider themselves lesbians. And lesbians don’t much like (Male to Female) transexuals either. They do seem to do better once this “internal conflict” is resolved, but then create a whole new reality of confusion and complexities around them.
Geographybeefinalisthimself decides to make the issue all about, well, me:
I feel so sorry for this tranny’s sons.
I wonder if Manboobz will consider my pity for this tranny’s sons to be “misogyny.” I think his morbidly obese body will explode just thinking about how to react.
I’d call that transphobia, actually, Mr. geographybeefinalist. I’m not quite sure why you thought I would explode. It’s not exactly shocking to discover that misogynists are bigoted in other ways as well. On The Spearhead multiple bigotry seems to be the default state.
Towgunner delivered up a massive wall-o-text, from which I have extracted the following. (Paragraph breaks added.)
A simple agenda item for the MRA … is to encourage the truth, specifically, men and women are different and there is nothing wrong with that. ….
The reason why we unfortunately here about this is because it fits the feminists narrative and false idea that men and women are interchangeable etc. transsexuals are an important component to that argument because he was once a he now hes a she…look at that kids, as easy as pie. But its not, hormone treatment and multiple evasive surgeries are not some simple “switch” …
Methinks, the whole “I’m a women in a man’s body” meme is a sick distraction from the real truth, which is “No sir or ma’am, the truth is you’re not happy with yourself and the cards you were dealt and you’ve never came to terms with that! ….
The idea of “I’m a man in a women’s body” should be met with, “hey pal, I’d like to be a lot of things myself too, eating ice cream every night and having a full head of hair and washboard abs…but guess what, it’s not the case….deal. This is what happens when emotion trumps reason. psycology today is a joke, the proper treatment is a kick in the pants not some soft spoken, drug dealer who’s likely just as messed up as their patients are.
Brigadon responded to one commenter who challenged the Spearhead regulars on their homophobia (and got massively downvoted for doing so), accusing the commenter of using “shaming language” against those who rightfully resist “homophilia.” Then he called gay men “fags;” compared homosexuality to pedophilia, bestiality, and cannibalism; and suggested that trans women deserve to be ridiculed.
There is a vast difference between being homophobic and having a legitimate understanding of the deleterious effects homophilia has on society.
If you are not into molesting children, are you pedophobic?
If you are not into fucking housepets, are you beastophobic?
Why in the hell is it considered a ‘phobia’ to be disgusted and sickened by something which, in the end, is an incredibly unhealthy habit from both a species and societal standpoint? …Why should we accept cannibalism? why should we accept pederastery? why should we accept homosexuality? why should we accept beastiality? how does that strengthen us as a culture? what does it ADD to the human experience, and what does it take away?
Nice attempt at shaming language, though. technically ‘homophobia’= “fear of those like one’s self”. completely incorrect usage of the word.
Unfortunately, though, fags are afraid to use the real word…
Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.
Frankly, all things concerned, I consider a fear of getting sodomized to be a very real worry, as opposed to a ‘phobia’. Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.And, to be completely honest, why should we NOT ridicule men that lop their penises off in order to be failures as both males and females.
In case you’re wondering, this was one of the comments that was rated “Well-loved” by the Spearhead regulars.
There is plenty more awfulness to be found elsewhere in the thread at The Spearhead, as well as some comments that aren’t quite as bad, if you have the stomach to wade through the rest of it to find them.
@curleyfries, Welcome to your new un-lurked status, and please accept your complimentary welcome package.
Also ditto to what freemage said just above: free internet hugs to anyone who wants/needs them.
For as much as gay-bashing assholes hate anal sex, they sure do talk about it a lot. A long time ago, I remember thinking it was sad how LGBT folk had to define themselves by sex. I was recently reminded of that old thought and immediately recognized that the definition (and the issue) was mine all along.
Otherwise, I don’t even know where to start with this. I wonder how they deal with everyday situations where you are required to be cordial. The idea of these jerks swallowing their anger to keep from getting in trouble fulfills some need for revenge, but there is no comfort here.
Apparently the MRA guys’ understanding of science is stuck somewhere in the 19th century, I can’t believe anyone who’s bothered to make even a rudimentary attempt to familiarize themselves with the last few decades’ discoveries in neuroscience would make such asinine statements. But given that MRAs, like other bigots, clearly have a simplistic, either/or view of reality I don’t suppose the effort would do them much good.
Idk if this helps, but I used to be homophobic/transphobic too. Not to the extent of Spearhead, but I thought that it wasn’t something legitimate. I just assumed it was some sick fetish or that sex-change operations only existed because some doctor was bored and had too much time on his/her hands, and that a few perverts did it.
As far as homophobia, I do remember telling my friend something along the lines of “I don’t get gay people, I just don’t get how they can be like that”. And that I believed it was insuperior or something.
My point is that people with horrible views can change, so it’s not like we are stuck with this monsterous anti-LGBT stuff. It’s just a matter of teaching people… (I’m not excusing the pile of bullshit above, I’m just saying that remembering that I used to be that way gives me a bit of hope).
@cloudiah It finally came true! I’ve always wondered “what’s the best way to oppress the men in my life?” And now I have the answer! Hard chairs! Scented candles! W*ore penguins! The dream of misandry is alive and well.
@Aaliyah Internet hugs if you want them 🙁
Years ago, there was a researcher who had a rather crank theory regarding gender dysphoria. He believed that it was a form of sexual narcissism, an obsession with a female version of one’s own body (he focused mainly on men). In other words, he believed that transgendered people really just wanted to fuck themselves. As memory serves, his methods for proving this involved really strange cohort studies where he picked out young boys who were effeminate or exhibited non-standard gender roles (and thus assumed to be gay) and tried to get them to admit that they were aroused by their own bodies.
I bring this up to point out that, very often, the “serious” critics of LGBT issues and the troglodytes aren’t all that far apart.
J. Michael Bailey is probably the best known proponent of that theory, but sadly he’s far from the only one.
It’s a bit funny though because I always thought most people liked having sex with themselves…isn’t that what masturbation is?
@AK:
because it fits the feminists narrative and false idea that men and women are interchangeable etc.
I think the “false narrative” that Brigadon is wringing his hands over here is the (admittedly pretty damn feminist) notion that men and women are, on average, equally capable of filling almost all of the roles that have traditionally been associated with one sex or the other. In other words, women are no less suited than men to holding leadership positions, working in STEM fields, etc., while men are no less suited than women to cooking, cleaning, and caring for children.
Curleyfries, welcome!
(Dammit, now your nym has me thinking of chips at ten o’ clock in the morning. Stop it, I say!)
As to those creatures on The Knucklehead … fucking morons is the best I can come up with at present. I can’t be bothered wasting more words on their hate and stupidity, utter, willful stupidity.
Thirding (fourthing? Fifthing?) Freemage’s internet-hugs-available offer for any takers. From me and the Mister and the kitties and pups, too.
I’m impressed…apparently Solipsism isn’t just for teh wymens anymore!
Other than that, the rest of this is too terrible and hateful to even contemplate. It’s like reading the Stormfront forums, in that you almost can’t believe that these people share the same planet.
Uh…..whut?
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/5/13/13/enhanced-buzz-31455-1368465557-20.jpg
^That’s called a Potoo, by the way.
That’s the best photo, BritterSweet. Sums up the reaction to so much MRM shit.
Just….. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m546l1yMhZ1qzvh55o1_250.gif
I hope all of the Spearhead commentariat have to walk on paths crookedly paved with lego bricks with the sharp sides up, and some thumb-tacks for good measure.
Oh, I’m struggling to contain my laughter and scorn, no doubt about that, but it’s not aimed at women who’re trans.
*ignores OP for the sake of zir sanity, which is in short supply today*
BritterSweet — thanks for naming that WTF?! bird, because WTF?! (Is your nym intentionally Britter instead of bitter or should we start a “victims of rogue Rs” club? Aertheri is a Latin typo, should be Aetheri)
I’ll be in the trans* corner of
shameawesomeness with a cat if anyone needs me or wants to join me.Welcome Curlyfries!
(And yes, I nearly said rouge instead of rogue, again)
“As soon as he says they are “equal” in motherhood, they are going to have to contain their laughter and scorn.”
My response would be admiration, not laughter or scorn. Motherhood’s not a job I’d ever want, or likely be good at, so good luck to any woman who is. It’s a fucking thankless and difficult role for too many cis women, never mind all the extra shit heaps on trans* women.
“(And yes, I nearly said rouge instead of rogue, again)”
That always reminds me of the book taking down Palin* – Going Rouge.
*Sarah, not Michael. 😉
Not to mention one of my closest friends of the past year is a trans* man, and most of the friends I’ve made at university so far are about as far as you can get from cis, I dunno, I honestly didn’t think people could be this hateful of others, and it really hurts when you know people who are trans* and have been faced with the kind of bile these spearheaders are spewing.
Not that we’re dealing with rational people here in general, but what is it that the last dude thinks the existence of GLBT people is taking away from him? I can see how from a selfish perspective he could think we’re not adding anything to society (since by society he seems to mean “me”), but what does the fact that people who he doesn’t like exist take away from him?
Given his obsession with the idea of anal rape (only of men, of course) and mind-bogglingly stupid numbers, who can tell what’s going on in the toxic mess laughingly called his mind?
From what I’ve read from WTF Price (which is admittedly only what is posted here) I think he gets his understanding of science and the world from a fairly literal (if biased) reading of the bible. So saying the 19th century may be overly generous.
Thanks for the welcomes!
Also, as a cis mother myself, the absolute LAST thing I would ever dream of doing is looking down at a trans* mom with scorn. In fact I have only the upmost admiration for trans* parents; I can’t imagine dealing with the kind of transphobic garbage that regularly gets spewed in their direction, while caring for a tiny human being who’s completely dependent on you.
Seriously, MRM, could you assholes project any more?
Kitteh — we were discussing the “math” in the other thread and someone (sorry to whomever that was, I’ve forgotten who you are!) said that he must be counting each woman as less of a person than a man. About 1/100th for his math to work…it is that close if you include prison rape which is what the MRM should really focus on, but the rapists are mostly men, so doesn’t fit their anti-woman agenda.
They give away so much accidentally. Scream about male rape victims, have a fit about how women can be rapists, totally ignore that about as many men are raped in prison as women raped outside prison, because the rapists are men. (For the now outraged, may I point you to Just Detention?)
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I can’t even handle this right now.
My state legalized gay marriage today. I’m going to focus on that.