When I posted about WF Price’s viciously transphobic Mothers’ Day post on The Spearhead yesterday, the Spearhead commentariat had not yet weighed in on his post. Well, now they have, and so appallingly that I felt a second post was in order. Here are some of the, er, highlights of the discussion.
Again, a TRIGGER WARNING applies; if anything, these comments are worse than Price’s original post. This hasn’t made them unpopular at The Spearhead; quite the contrary: all the comments quoted below were well received by Spearhead readers, receiving multiple upvotes. A couple of them were even rated “Well-loved.”
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Alcestis Eshtemoa compares trans women, unfavorably, to eunuchs:
Transexuals/Transgenders are part of the LGBTQPPI freak show. Transexual “women” are de-facto mutilated or castrated men, on a much lower level than eunuchs even. Sure a couple of people may be born “inter-sexed” but most (in general) are not born or made that way. There are two sexes and they are complementary.
Instead it’s the delusional cosplay “I’m a woman in a man’s body” (sure and I’m really Napoleon reincarnated or Marilyn Monroe in a hideous, ill-mannered woman’s body). It’s a form of narcissism, the worse kind even, because these people don’t play their parts well. Instead the solipsism is projected elsewhere.
El Bastardo seems to think that feminists are all as transphobic as he is:
I can’t wait for all the liars, whom calling themselves feminists, have to face this genius who cut his own junk off. As soon as he says they are “equal” in motherhood, they are going to have to contain their laughter and scorn. A “Saaaayyy whaaaaattt?” moment. Followed by “Oh, HELL NAH!”
I actually feel for this individual, though the “suffering” is self inflicted. He, or perhaps she or it, has now set himself and his family up for years of delicious pain for his moronic self indulgence.
Truly, the feminists who raised him, for that is the evil and solipsistic individuals his parents (or at least his mother and wife) had to have been. They destroyed who he was, and cheered him on as he jumped into an abyss for which there is no return.
Now his sons have endured a wound they may never be able to articulate, but incubate with pain and confusion their whole lives. For if their father, now having turned and claimed to being a woman, hated his masculinity in such a fashion; what are they left to think?
Keyster also manages to pull off the neat trick of attacking transphobic feminists — well, he assumes all feminists are transphobic — in a comment that is itself transphobic, not to mention massively misogynistic:
Feminists hate transexuals because they “mock” womanhood; pretend to be women, when actually the massive doses of estrogen is what reveals the classic female behavior that sometimes annoys and frustrates men so much.
Also more often than not transexuals abhor masculinity so much that they actually consider themselves lesbians. And lesbians don’t much like (Male to Female) transexuals either. They do seem to do better once this “internal conflict” is resolved, but then create a whole new reality of confusion and complexities around them.
Geographybeefinalisthimself decides to make the issue all about, well, me:
I feel so sorry for this tranny’s sons.
I wonder if Manboobz will consider my pity for this tranny’s sons to be “misogyny.” I think his morbidly obese body will explode just thinking about how to react.
I’d call that transphobia, actually, Mr. geographybeefinalist. I’m not quite sure why you thought I would explode. It’s not exactly shocking to discover that misogynists are bigoted in other ways as well. On The Spearhead multiple bigotry seems to be the default state.
Towgunner delivered up a massive wall-o-text, from which I have extracted the following. (Paragraph breaks added.)
A simple agenda item for the MRA … is to encourage the truth, specifically, men and women are different and there is nothing wrong with that. ….
The reason why we unfortunately here about this is because it fits the feminists narrative and false idea that men and women are interchangeable etc. transsexuals are an important component to that argument because he was once a he now hes a she…look at that kids, as easy as pie. But its not, hormone treatment and multiple evasive surgeries are not some simple “switch” …
Methinks, the whole “I’m a women in a man’s body” meme is a sick distraction from the real truth, which is “No sir or ma’am, the truth is you’re not happy with yourself and the cards you were dealt and you’ve never came to terms with that! ….
The idea of “I’m a man in a women’s body” should be met with, “hey pal, I’d like to be a lot of things myself too, eating ice cream every night and having a full head of hair and washboard abs…but guess what, it’s not the case….deal. This is what happens when emotion trumps reason. psycology today is a joke, the proper treatment is a kick in the pants not some soft spoken, drug dealer who’s likely just as messed up as their patients are.
Brigadon responded to one commenter who challenged the Spearhead regulars on their homophobia (and got massively downvoted for doing so), accusing the commenter of using “shaming language” against those who rightfully resist “homophilia.” Then he called gay men “fags;” compared homosexuality to pedophilia, bestiality, and cannibalism; and suggested that trans women deserve to be ridiculed.
There is a vast difference between being homophobic and having a legitimate understanding of the deleterious effects homophilia has on society.
If you are not into molesting children, are you pedophobic?
If you are not into fucking housepets, are you beastophobic?
Why in the hell is it considered a ‘phobia’ to be disgusted and sickened by something which, in the end, is an incredibly unhealthy habit from both a species and societal standpoint? …Why should we accept cannibalism? why should we accept pederastery? why should we accept homosexuality? why should we accept beastiality? how does that strengthen us as a culture? what does it ADD to the human experience, and what does it take away?
Nice attempt at shaming language, though. technically ‘homophobia’= “fear of those like one’s self”. completely incorrect usage of the word.
Unfortunately, though, fags are afraid to use the real word…
Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.
Frankly, all things concerned, I consider a fear of getting sodomized to be a very real worry, as opposed to a ‘phobia’. Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.And, to be completely honest, why should we NOT ridicule men that lop their penises off in order to be failures as both males and females.
In case you’re wondering, this was one of the comments that was rated “Well-loved” by the Spearhead regulars.
There is plenty more awfulness to be found elsewhere in the thread at The Spearhead, as well as some comments that aren’t quite as bad, if you have the stomach to wade through the rest of it to find them.
I didn’t realize feminists were all Will Smith ca. 1999.
Ok, I think I get it. Since towgunner can’t eat ice cream, no one gets to do anything they want ever. Thanks Spearhead!
Actually, I would say that as a cis mother, I could never understand her struggles and oppression being a trans* mother.
But why bother asking feminists what they think, when you can just invent straw feminists to argue with instead?
this line of thought explains a lot of their asinine word-vomit. also, no understanding of the law.
“Especially considering that nearly six times as many men in the US get raped as women, and nearly a hundred times as many men get FORCEFULLY raped (sodomized) as women.”
Wait… what? He says 6x as many men are raped compared to women, then 100x “FORCEFULLY”? Is there any other kind of rape? I really doubt this guy even cares about those victims, other than using them to shame female victims for “whining”.
I can think of a few people who need a kick in the pants… trans*people ain’t part of that.
How do these fuckfaces even live with themselves?
Wow, just wow. Spearhead engages in another moment of being utterly, totally wrong about everything. I’ve never seen such a marvelous example of being “not even wrong”.
I’m a trans woman and I find myself just blinking at their comments rather than being offended.
Interesting how feminists simultaneously made trans*people trans* and also supposedly hate them.
Also, the I think the notion that homosexuality (not relevant in a discussion on trans* issues) does not necessarily equal anal sex is shocking! Plus, hetero people have anal sex too! And some manly men who are not gay like anal stimulation too!
Shocking!
I think he’s using “forcefully” to say that some rapes are “legitimate” and others aren’t. He’s basically calling female rape victims liars and denying that women ever get raped. MRA’s like him can always come up with their reasons that a female victim is in the wrong.
the forceful rape discussion (or at least the iteration i’m familiar with) is mostly based on u.s. things…or no? i don’t know if other people read this differently if they’re not from the u.s.
Cannibalism, pederasty, homosexuality, bestiality…
One of these things is not like the other. I always hope that people who make those comparisons are being disingenuous, because if they really can’t see the difference, then they are displaying such a lack of understanding of consent that I honestly am scared of them.
I believe he’s comparing date rape (where the victim may “just” be incapacitated and unable to say no, or is just too afraid to) to rape where the perpetrator uses violence to force his victim to submit and/or causes physical trauma during the course of the rape. I’m sure that judging by his numbers, he’s basically comparing prison rape to date rape (which still isn’t accurate, but it is the only way I can see the “100x” making sense even by MRA standards).
Still BS since rape is a violent crime by definition, though.
Maybe? I don’t know that much about other countries and if they have people in power describing “legitimate rape” or “forcible rape”, as a way to redefine rape to limit pregnant rape survivors’ access to abortions. I don’t think this idea is as common in some parts of the US as others, either. Here in Missouri, yes it’s pretty bad, but it might not be as bad in bigger cities or the east and west coasts.
And while some of the radical pro lifers have similar arguments to MRA’s, they also have a lot of differences. The radical prolifers want to narrow the definition of rape to limit access to abortion, while MRA’s don’t think women can be oppressed in any way and they have to deny rape culture to fit that view.
Bahumbugi, I don’t think it makes sense anywhere on the planet. I really wonder where these people live if they have never had friends that are trans or gay or feminists?
Or better yet all three at once 😉
haha, yes, “make sense” …. i used that phrase, but i guess i should have said “contextualize” or something, because it makes the opposite of sense.
i wish i could make a like nifty comparison chart of sex crimes across nations. it might be horrifying. and might exist.
There’s something else that concerns me with them comparing homosexuality to bestiality, pedophilia, cannibalism, etc, other than the obvious.
The reason he’s grouping them all together is because he considers them all to be nasty, not because of how they hurt people, since that’s the only thing they’ve got in common. It makes me think that he’d be totally OK with pedophilia, bestiality, etc, if he didn’t think it was nasty.
It’s completely missing the point. Pedophilia, bestiality, and cannibalism are horrible because well… you’re traumatizing a child severely, you’re traumatizing an animal(even if the animal “likes” it it’s still very confusing for it), and you’re killing someone(if they’re already dead you’re desecrating the body around loved ones, and even if it’s cultural it still spreads nasty diseases). However does he even consider these reasons legitimate reasons to be against those things? Or is it just “Icky, therefore bad, but I were into it it would be perfectly moral”?
No, thanks, not wading into that.
Edinakusesiphobia- fear of sodomy.
Well, you learn something new everyday. I had no idea this was a word. It appears that the commenter, Brigadon, is very familiar with this concept & has pondered it quite a bit. Wonder what that is all about.
I don’t even know how to express my anger in words. I feel sick.
Do these raging fucknuts like ANYTHING?
I’m guessing the only think they like is hating on women and wanking about the power they feel has been denied them. Sad assholes, to a man.
/de-lurking
I’ve been lurking here for quite some time; I think I started reading this blog around the time NWO Slave was writing the Big Book O’ Learnin. I have come into contact with some beliefs on this blog that I didn’t even knew existed in reality, and it’s been enlightening and frightening at the same time.
But this steaming pile of horse shit….it is really getting to me, and I think it’s because I’ve only recently (as in the last four years or so) begun to face my own internalizaed transphopia, and what these cretins are saying is eerily similar to the ideas I used to habor about trans* folks, before I actually extracted my head from my ass and, you know, got to know some pretty incredible trans* men and women. The fact is, if I had read this six or seven years ago, I probably wouldn’t have thought much about it, and that is pretty terrifying.
These assholes sound like a bunch of hateful children.
So I was just rereading the post (I always have to skim over the first time, then read it again in chunks…too much hatefulness at once for me I guess), and noticed this line. Am I seeing things or is the poster actually acknowledging the fact that trans* people fare better if they can outwardly transition, but still thinks it is somehow a bad thing? It almost sounds like he’s saying that it’s just so hard for the people *around* the trans* person, so it’s a bad thing.
I also love this tidbit, because in all my years as a feminist, I have literally never ever heard a feminist say that. Equal does not mean interchangeable, and the non-TERF feminist line I’ve always heard is that a trans woman has always been a woman/girl and a trans man has always been a man/boy. None of this “he became a she” nonsense, unless we’re talking in a strictly legal sense or the trans* person zirself says that was the case.
To all our trans* members, members who have trans* loved ones, and hell, anyone else here with a shred of decency, I offer all the internet hugs wanted, because seriously, that’s some sick-ass shit up there.
And I left off the important part of my comment…Aaliyah, hugs to you if you want them. I’m sorry that there are people out there who hold these horrible views.
And Falconer, your comment made me laugh, which was much needed after reading that post, so thanks!