British barrister Barbara Hewson caused a bit of a stir last week when she called for the age of consent in Britain to be lowered to 13 so as to end the alleged “persecution of old men” like those arrested in the wake of the recent Jimmy Savile scandal, which revealed a widespread culture of sexual exploitation of underage girls (and some boys) at the BBC in the 1970s.
Now one female Men’s Rights Activist connected to hate site A Voice for Men has done Hewson one better, arguing that the real culprits in these scandals weren’t the predatory adult men but the girls they victimized.
Janet Bloomfield, a fairly regular contributor to terrorist-manifesto-posting AVFM who is better known as JudgyBitch, writes on her blog that:
[B]asically, the girls were groupies. They wanted all the benefits of hanging out with a big star and they understood it came with a price and they paid it, perhaps reluctantly, but with full knowledge that the trips to London and the fags and the sweet weren’t free. …
And now they are claiming the MEN abused THEM? Looks to me like it was the other way around.
Yes, Bloomfield apparently feels that these poor little rich men were robbed of cigarettes and candy and trips to London by predatory teenage girls. She continues:
It’s a story as old as bloody time. Young women with nothing to offer but their youth and sexuality chase after powerful men in exchange for favors. If we are going to arrest every powerful man who has ever availed himself of willing women, we are gonna need to build a whole lot of jails.
Uh, Judgy, in case you missed the point of the whole debate here, we’re not talking about women. We’re talking about girls. In the case of BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall, one of the victims that he has admitted to assaulting was nine years old at the time. Nine. Savile’s youngest alleged victim was an eight-year-old boy, and dozens of his alleged assaults were upon children in hospitals.
In the end, Bloomfield kind of, sort of, admits that the men may have behaved badly in these cases. But she still wants them to face zero legal repercussions.
Powerful men always have and always will delight in young women hunting them. Young women always have and always will hunt for powerful men. Both sides are equally culpable. Both sides are engaging in abuse. Both sides are behaving shamefully. Both side are being idiots.
But only one side is being held criminally responsible? Bullshit. If the girls are not going to be strung up on charges of solicitation and prostitution, and I absolutely do NOT think they should be, then fairness and equality under the law dictates the men get a pass, too.
Again, you may notice, Bloomfield cannot seem to decide whether or not these girls are in fact girls or “young women,” and in the two consecutive paragraphs right above you’ll notice she slides effortlessly between the two. Perhaps her desire to tag these girls “women” is an admission that, at least on some unconscious level, she knows what she’s arguing is beyond the moral pale.
Elsewhere in her post, she puts up pictures of underage girls whom she seems to think would be impossible to distinguish from adults. Here’s one, of a twelve-year-old model. (She also includes a creepily sexualized picture of the same model at age ten.)
Anyone unable to tell that this is a picture of a child, not an adult, shouldn’t be having sex with anyone.
And anyone as morally deficient as JudgyBitch shouldn’t be judging anyone.
I read the post by judgybitch and summarized for people who didn’t want to click on it, but i quoted her and one of the words she used got it caught in the moderation filter
I keep a model train set concealed in my closet. I am a cis woman with no male offspring. I’m probably breaking a law of nature ….
I’m 20, and I still get child tickets because I look about 12. When I was 14, I started having sex…and by god I wasn’t a victim, nor a ‘child’. I knew what I was doing and I was prepared to threaten the guys with a lifetime on the sex offender register if they didn’t give me what I wanted. Most definitely, I was abusing them more than they were me, though in the end everybody was happy and nobody got jailed so…no harm, no foul, right? If these girls were assaulted they should have spoken out then, not waited until they were older and bored and looking for attention. If they’d done so earlier, I might have sympathy, but they didn’t, so I don’t.
I have not read her response, but I will guess!
HOW DARE WE DENY MEN THE RIGHT TO RAPE CHILDREN!!!!
THOSE CHILDREN MIGHT BE FANS OF THOSE MEN!!
THEREFORE THOSE MEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO RAPE CHILDREN WHO ARE THEIR FANS!!
Hey, why don’t we talk about my babies for a while instead?
They’re rolling over* and sucking their thumbs. The girl has a lot better control of her head than the boy, and she turns her head to watch me walk back and forth. The boy has accomplished thumping his massive skull into adults’ mouths for maximum pain and minimum injury (not that he does it on purpose).
*I know, I’ve already copied my car key for them.
The girl also has these big gorgeous eyes and is under the impression that we love to see her tongue all the time.
They’ve started smiling at the sight of us and almost giggling. We’ve taken to chanting nonsense phrases at them for the sheer joy of the sounds (“Blue footed booby” is great, and “poodle in a puddle with a paddle and a noodle” also works).
A better link.
Ah, Yasmine, good to know your personal experience is universal, and that all 14-year-olds are just like you. Fuck off.
Sorry, Falconer, I shouldn’t use such language in juxtaposition to your adorable babies. We need some kind of protective barrier between them and the trolls who post here (and our responses to said trolls).
@Yasmine
just because you were creepy and wanted to threaten older men into sleeping with you doesn’t mean everyone did.
Also, they “Should’ve” spoken out? F-you and your victim blaming.
@Falconer
your babies sound so cute!!
Those babies are the best cure for troll scabies.
Yasmine: You are gross, fuck off. That is all.
Well, Yasmine is a bit of a creeper, isn’t she? She should feel right at home with the MRM.
Wow, is this shit even real? Where the fuck does these people come? I just, feel empty.
@cloudiah, @Fade
First, I didn’t say all girls were like me, I’m not blind and not all my friends did the same (though plenty did). I’m just pointing out that not all girls are victims, and girls who deliberately sleep with overage men actually have a lot of power over those men.
Second, I said I was prepared to threaten, not that I actually did. As it happened, the guys behaved like gentlemen, so I never needed to. Just because a guy is over-age doesn’t immediately make him a predator…also I’m not sure how one could ‘threaten’ a man into having sex by saying you’ll reveal that such an event has happened, that sounds seriously counterproductive! Few guys will sleep with a girl they think will go to the police, at any age.
Also, I’m not blaming the girls for getting abused. I just think it’s a bad idea to wait to make an accusation after all the evidence is gone. This justice system works on the basis of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ as the threshold for putting someone behind bars, however henious the crime. If you’re going to ruin their lives and careers by making an accusation, why not do so when there’s a chance of actually getting a conviction? There is nothing to gain but fame from crying victim now, which makes me think this is a plea for attention, not justice.
That’s quite the logic pretzel our amoral new friend has constructed there. I think once we’re done with AVFM and The Spearhead we should drop a house on her too.
For anyone just coming in now, not behaving like a gentleman in Yasmine’s world would have meant not having sex with her when she wanted them to. Please note the universal disgust that this is about to provoke from every single feminist who sees it, and keep that in mind next time someone starts babbling about how feminists don’t care about men.
Yasmine: Yeah right.
Maybe you are legit, in which case you were an awful person, engaging in extortive blackmail to induce men to commit a crime (which is straight out of the MRM playbook of “evil women, get ya comin’ or goin’ amirite!).
But they idea that since you (stipulating, for the moment, you are being honest) were a nasty piece of work, these women must be even worse, is so reductionist as to be laughable.
“Older, and bored and looking for attention” as opposed to, “finally independent enough to think someone might believe them”.
Normally the cliche is “trolling or just stupid”. In this case it’s more like trolling because you’re evil or just plain evil.
Yasmine: First, I didn’t say all girls were like me,
Not in so many words. Just that if these women were legit, they would have come out then (when the were 14, and in hospital, or the orphanage, etc.).
I’m just pointing out that not all girls are victims, and therefore these women can’t have been victimised.
Second, I said I was prepared to threaten, not that I actually did. As it happened, the guys behaved like gentlemen, and fucked a child.
Odd definition of gentleman you’ve got.
Also, I’m not blaming the girls for getting abused.
Nope, you are denying they were abused at all. That’s at least as bad, probably worse.
I am curious about when “I’m terrible/terrible people exist, therefore those people over there must also be terrible” became the go-to argument. You’d think people would at least aim for something a little harder to refute.
If Yasmine is arguing against someone who claimed “no fourteen-year-old ever wants to have sex with adults, literally any fourteen-year-old this happens to is victimized” she’s arguing against a straw man.
But seriously, to be prepared to threaten a guy with the police unless he sleeps with you? That’s where credibility starts to crumble…
WTF are you trying to say? “deliberately” is there any other way to sleep with people? How’s a teenager with no resources have power over a famous man? She might say he raped her (if he did) and then she can get disbelieved and shamed? That’s not a lot of power, yasmine 97 percent of rapists never spend a day in jail. I would not bet anything on those odds.
Oh, look, another “waaah, you’re ruining the rapists lives”
rapists deserve to have their lives ruined
It’s so fun to be shamed by the media! They could be warning future-victims, genius. Fuck you for thinking it’s a plea for attention.
Yasmine does have that “what MRAs think women are really like” whiff about her.
Well, you could trip and fall on their cock. That’s totally a thing that happens.