So WF Price of The Spearhead, who responded to my previous post criticizing his and his commenters’ appalling reactions to the Cleveland abductions with thoughtfulness and maturity (by which I mean a bizarre and weirdly racist personal attack on a commenter here), has now taken offense to a darkly satirical piece the Onion ran in the wake of the revelations of what allegedly went on Ariel Castro’s house for the past 11 years.
The Onion piece wasn’t funny, exactly, nor was it meant to be; it was pretty clearly the raw reaction of someone reacting with appropriate horror to the details of Castro’s alleged crimes, which seem to surpass even the worst “man-hater’s” vision of male depravity. Price, rather missing the point, sees the Onion piece as simple “feminist man-hatred” and suggests that it proves his point all along: that patriarchy is a lie.
The Castro brothers were neither patriarchal nor privileged; they were low-life predators from the bottom of society. Not to say that low-class men are all bad people, either, but men without privilege are the most likely to commit crimes, for obvious reasons. …
The myth of male power and privilege is just that, and the Cleveland case is one more pebble on the mountain of evidence that exposes it for a lie.
Empowering men in their families will not lead to more crimes against women and girls, but fewer.
Huh. So I guess if we make all men rich, and order the police to stop responding to all “domestic disturbance” calls, all our problems will be solved!
Never mind that Ariel Castro seems to have lorded it over his now-dead ex when he was involved with her, reportedly brutalizing and terrorizing her and getting away with it in part because he threatened to further brutalize her if she testified against him. He may not have had much power in the wider world, but he certainly seems to have felt quite “empowered” in his dealings with women and girls, and the “justice” system didn’t provide any justice to his apparent victims, even before the kidnappings.
And never mind that Price continues to refer to the “Castro brothers” although the police are saying that Ariel Castro acted alone.
Despite not knowing the basic facts of the case, Price seems to like the idea of using cases like this one to push his antifeminist agenda. According to him, his attempts to use the case to “refute” the feminist idea that
male privilege [is] tied to abuse of women … really enraged them, because how dare I use one of “their” cases to point out that they are wrong. From their perspective, it should be a sacred feminist right to use these incidents against men as a political bludgeon so as to coerce more concessions, more power, etc. Some went so far as to accuse me of blaming women and feminists for the kidnappings themselves (rubbish), while a few others sent me some hate mail.
But you know, I’m going to keep it up, because they do not have the sole right to the narrative when convenient tragedies occur. …
Feminists will doubtless use examples of outrageous crimes in an effort to remove more men from their families, thereby creating both more victims and more criminals. They will use examples like the Castro brothers’ kidnapping whenever and wherever they can. We must stop them from doing so, and we must not be intimidated by their feigned moral outrage when we speak the truth about their agenda.
Dude. if you think the reactions people are having to the Cleveland abductions — or to the terrible things you and your commenters have said about them — are in any way “feigned,” then I can only suggest that you may have completely lost touch with your humanity.
Once again, the Spearhead’s commenters lived up to their past standards of moral monsterhood, continuing to put the blame for Ariel Castro’s crimes (and pretty much every other ill) on feminism and women in general. Here are some selections. You’ll notice the one wishing death on feminists is officially “well-liked” by the commentariat there.
The only vaguely encouraging thing in the entire discussion? That Dana’s call for urban genocide got a couple of downvotes. To the two Spearhead readers who don’t think wiping out an entire community of decent people because of the behavior of one man is a good idea, I would like to say “thanks.” And also suggest that maybe you should stop reading The Spearhead.
EDITED: Added paragraphs about Ariel Castro’s alleged brutality towards his ex, and clarification that only he has been charged, not his brothers.
Bah, if Western feminazis didn’t drive their men away en masse by being such horrid horrible harridans , then they wouldn’t have to invade OUR countries and get all OUR (desirable) females, depriving us of ine of the basic needs/wants of the human heterosexual male. The dating/mating game i.e. psychosexual political economy in our homelands has now become negatively affected forevermore as local males are now expected to match up against the foreign competition. And who can compare to rivals who are simply that much larger in sheer size, both physically and financially. Ah, what a way to destroy the social fabric and cultural ecosystem of OTHER countries! Whitey does it yet again like during the Age of (Traditional Colonial) Empires, only this time it’s their females who are actually behind it instead of the males. The more things change, the more they stay the same. As the Book of Revelations says, “And I beheld a rider on a PALE horse and his ( but in this case, HER would be much more apt) name was Death and all of Hell rode after Him (Her)”.
Yeah, I remember reading a few articles by Tom wossname* on HuffPo, and they seemed okay, but I wouldn’t touch his stuff or his site now.
At least Ozy’s own blog’s comments don’t seem to be infested, at least from the articles I’ve read.
*not Martin, I know that much! 😀
I find it really sad that these guys don’t see that the most “brutal” places in the world are the exact same places where gender roles are exactly like what they want. I mean why don’t they go live in a theocracy or a developing nation where women are treated like property, then they will learn what the word actually means.
Two possibilities – too privileged and uninterested in other people’s lives to have any idea what a truly brutal society looks like (and there are plenty to choose from), or too misogynist to care about societies where women are treated brutally or see that as a problem.
“Brutality” is when a man’s not allowed to do anything he likes to women. Rape, murder, assaults and general dehumanising by men against women don’t count. They’re the natural and desirable order of things for this lot. Even places like Saudi Arabia are held up as matriarchies by clowns like Mr Splinters In His Bum.
Fuck, I realize it’s really irrelevant as their whole thing about women being submissive is long established, but yes, those societies tend to be the mosts brutal. Like, idk, the 1,000~ Bangladashi factory workers, mostly women, killed thanks to shittastic labor // safety laws because *gasp* OSHA is actually a good thing and not “make work”
Sorry, to think that they’d find a way to call that a good thing, because women died…yuck, just yuck…
(If this comment needs some good news, they found another survivor, more than two weeks later)
Sorry, the point there was that even “just” ignoring the plights of women can result in a thousand of them buried in a factory collapse.
And the MRM, vile sacks of human waste that they are, would probably cheer (I have no desire to find out if they cheered)
Look on the bright side – they’d have to care enough to follow news about labor issues outside the Anglosphere to notice that it happened, thus probably no cheering.
I’m feeling cynical after my affairs in bureaucracy. Which means I’m less than thrilled that it’d be that easy to be completely obvious to that many deaths just because they weren’t enough like you. But Burma, why am I continually amazed that people can be this ignorant? (In the “literally has no conception that this happens”)
And Syria…and the whole Isra3l // Palastin3 “situation” (I have thoughts, but I don’t want our “favorite” PUA to show up, hence the l33t, I have no desire to summon that kraken if he’s got a search filter set up)
With most people I’d say it was impossible to not at least notice. With these guys? I don’t think they read any news story that isn’t focused on women being evil.
Yeah, I guess you’re probably right, it did make major news. So only total wingnuts and off the grid people wouldn’t notice.
Funny, it never occurred to me that the hippie off the grid commune types would be completely oblivious to anything not directly affecting them.
I’ve known a few people like that. Talking to them can be..interesting.
(I think going off the grid is a valid choice, but don’t pretend you’re doing it for anyone other than yourself.)
Ok, you know what, it’s Tardis day, and I’d like a lift, even if that means facing cybers. They’re honestly better than humans, they don’t know any better (this is, of course, what makes them terrifying)
Do not read this if you don’t want to weep for humanity (I’m seriously not kidding here) — Ipswich teen loses both hands after thrown a homemade bomb
Yeah ok, I can see the logic behind going off grid to intentionally avoid the rest of our species. Sometimes, I like the Master, because “the whole stupid stinking human disgrace can fall into the pit” = apt.
Angry enough to fail to close my link, lovely.
Seriously, their whole day must revolve around scouring the internet for comments sections to spam their rargleblargle.
I need to revise previous Tardis request. Burma/Myanmar’s got a cyclone heading basically straight for the IDP camps for Rohingya…they lie on flood plains and have makeshift shelters. And we’re talking almost as string as Sandy was. And NGOs have been saying for months that the risk of this was huge.
At what point will humanity stop looking back going “we could’ve prevented this” and start actually preventing it.
Oh right, maybe at some point after we award a peace prize while looking the other way…
*strong
Tough string almost works, the shelters are held together by enough of it.
*though
I give up. At both typing, and anything related to news. I have a jade plant to repot.
I’ve been reading the Guardian this evening and why did I read the comments? Seriously, why would I do that to myself? Anything that even vaguely mentions women gets angry trolls screaming about the usual MRA talking points in the comments.
Then again, I once tried to read the comments on the Huffington Post and came away despairing for the future of our educational system in general.
There’s something strangely refreshing* in seeing mra’s who don’t even bother with any bullshit pretense of just wanting equality, and who just straight up admit they think men should totes rule over women.
It isn’t like they ever do a good job of hiding the fact that they’re a bunch of sadistic assholes who want to drag society back into the dark ages, but it helps when they just put it all out there for the entire world to see.
*by “refreshing”, of course, I mean disgusting and sad.
You know the cliche about sunshine being the best disinfectant? Keep talking, MRAs. If the world starts listening that’s not going to work out well for you.
“Then again, I once tried to read the comments on the Huffington Post and came away despairing for the future of our educational system in general.”
That’s why I gave up reading HP. Not that the articles were great anyway, but the place is teeming with MRAs and NiceGuys(TM). If I’d known the terms when I was reading it I’d have spent every comment reply just labelling the bastards.
With the exception of Manboobz and a few other sites, I pretty much have a “no reading internet comments sections” rule.
Cassandra, plague discussion ahead, I think I recall the plague creeping you out?
“…drag society back into the dark ages…”
I think I’d prefer the dark ages. Because of the plague. Hard to be too bigoted when you might die tomorrow. (“I’m not dead yet! I’m feeling much better!” Well, I mean, there’s like a 1 in 5 chance he might legit survive)