So WF Price of The Spearhead, who responded to my previous post criticizing his and his commenters’ appalling reactions to the Cleveland abductions with thoughtfulness and maturity (by which I mean a bizarre and weirdly racist personal attack on a commenter here), has now taken offense to a darkly satirical piece the Onion ran in the wake of the revelations of what allegedly went on Ariel Castro’s house for the past 11 years.
The Onion piece wasn’t funny, exactly, nor was it meant to be; it was pretty clearly the raw reaction of someone reacting with appropriate horror to the details of Castro’s alleged crimes, which seem to surpass even the worst “man-hater’s” vision of male depravity. Price, rather missing the point, sees the Onion piece as simple “feminist man-hatred” and suggests that it proves his point all along: that patriarchy is a lie.
The Castro brothers were neither patriarchal nor privileged; they were low-life predators from the bottom of society. Not to say that low-class men are all bad people, either, but men without privilege are the most likely to commit crimes, for obvious reasons. …
The myth of male power and privilege is just that, and the Cleveland case is one more pebble on the mountain of evidence that exposes it for a lie.
Empowering men in their families will not lead to more crimes against women and girls, but fewer.
Huh. So I guess if we make all men rich, and order the police to stop responding to all “domestic disturbance” calls, all our problems will be solved!
Never mind that Ariel Castro seems to have lorded it over his now-dead ex when he was involved with her, reportedly brutalizing and terrorizing her and getting away with it in part because he threatened to further brutalize her if she testified against him. He may not have had much power in the wider world, but he certainly seems to have felt quite “empowered” in his dealings with women and girls, and the “justice” system didn’t provide any justice to his apparent victims, even before the kidnappings.
And never mind that Price continues to refer to the “Castro brothers” although the police are saying that Ariel Castro acted alone.
Despite not knowing the basic facts of the case, Price seems to like the idea of using cases like this one to push his antifeminist agenda. According to him, his attempts to use the case to “refute” the feminist idea that
male privilege [is] tied to abuse of women … really enraged them, because how dare I use one of “their” cases to point out that they are wrong. From their perspective, it should be a sacred feminist right to use these incidents against men as a political bludgeon so as to coerce more concessions, more power, etc. Some went so far as to accuse me of blaming women and feminists for the kidnappings themselves (rubbish), while a few others sent me some hate mail.
But you know, I’m going to keep it up, because they do not have the sole right to the narrative when convenient tragedies occur. …
Feminists will doubtless use examples of outrageous crimes in an effort to remove more men from their families, thereby creating both more victims and more criminals. They will use examples like the Castro brothers’ kidnapping whenever and wherever they can. We must stop them from doing so, and we must not be intimidated by their feigned moral outrage when we speak the truth about their agenda.
Dude. if you think the reactions people are having to the Cleveland abductions — or to the terrible things you and your commenters have said about them — are in any way “feigned,” then I can only suggest that you may have completely lost touch with your humanity.
Once again, the Spearhead’s commenters lived up to their past standards of moral monsterhood, continuing to put the blame for Ariel Castro’s crimes (and pretty much every other ill) on feminism and women in general. Here are some selections. You’ll notice the one wishing death on feminists is officially “well-liked” by the commentariat there.
The only vaguely encouraging thing in the entire discussion? That Dana’s call for urban genocide got a couple of downvotes. To the two Spearhead readers who don’t think wiping out an entire community of decent people because of the behavior of one man is a good idea, I would like to say “thanks.” And also suggest that maybe you should stop reading The Spearhead.
EDITED: Added paragraphs about Ariel Castro’s alleged brutality towards his ex, and clarification that only he has been charged, not his brothers.
And oh gosh, now I’m embarrassed. The neighborhood where Castro lived was, as has been mentioned here before, predominantly Hispanic. So I take that part back.
Still counts as appropriation when Price uses it for his white-cis-straight-male supremacy rants, though.
I think I’m going to stop saying things about this whole shitty situation and instead say, Hello Manboobz residents, how are you today? Here, have a puppy that waddles!
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=VWDc9oyBj5Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVWDc9oyBj5Q
I’m currently watching that Seeking Asian Female documentary, I’m only 12 minutes in and I’ve lost count as to how much I’ve cringed.
*Hello Dolly. It was Hello Dolly. Not Price. Ugh, someone take the keyboard away from me. Done now, I swear. STET all other errors and oversights.
@Cthulu- I watched it, and I found it fascinating. I wonder what the couple’s relationship looks like now, 4 years out.
@M Dubz: I’m not sure, but there’s this:
http://creepywhiteguys.tumblr.com/post/49268610304/i-present-to-you-dear-readers-the-ultimate#notes
Now, it’s an unproven statement from someone on the Internet, so take it with a grain of salt…
Totally OT: I’m writing a blog post about how marginalization of underrepresented is not considered a flaw in movies. Can anyone throw examples of recent well-reviewed movies with questionable treatment of minorities, women, GLBT people, etc? I’ve already got Argo.
So wait, what these people want is to essentially bring back the paterfamilias? Man has complete control and the power of life and death over wife and children, they are his property.
Yeah I see no situations under which that could be abused. None what so ever. Nope. No siree.
Katz, I didn’t see Argo for various reasons, was it fairly racist?
I didn’t see it either, but Ben Affleck cast himself as Tony Mendez, who was Hispanic IRL.
Wow, the weird personal insult post. These people are amazing at building a narrative, I’ll give ’em that.
You know, I’m kinda interested in that documentary, but I’m not sure I’d make it all the way through. It’s a little close – I’ve known so many men who think that way, and I can’t stand them. The “Can you help me get an Asian girl?” types are bad enough, but they’re nothing compared to the foreign teachers who would date local girls just to cover for the fact that they spent all their money on prostitutes. And of course, all that splashes back onto me, and next thing you know I’m having to explain to everyone that no, she’s not a mail-order bride.
Perps don’t create victims, feminists do? Not only that feminists create criminals too. By making kidnapping children a crime?
Every day MRAs fail at decent human being 101. Every effing day.
“Every day MRAs fail at decent human being 101. Every effing day.”
And they keep getting worse, too.
Katz, I don’t know if this is the kind of thing you’re thinking of, but this takedown of Cho Chang’s character is Harry Potter is on point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFPWwx96Kew
(I like Harry Potter but was always discomforted by that character and I think it was a pretty massive fail.)
@cthulu- well THAT is depressing. Not surprising, but depressing. I feel bad for his wife.
Welp. Back to the brain bleach post!
I recorded “Seeking Asian Female” on DVR and still have to watch the last 10 minutes. I lost count of how many times I cringed and put up my fists.
Heh. WF Price is part of spearhead and the good man project. I didn’t realize the good man project had so many nutters. I guess it’s just the same whitewashed (pardon the phrase and pun) lunacy.
So,.. what will the Manosphere make of Jodi Arias??? Now that’s a woman to fear!
Oops, I should have looked before I posted. According to the Spearhead, “Arias’ accusations are typical for divorcing wives, only she’s justifying murder rather than theft and betrayal — it’s a script that plays out in courthouses across the United States every working day.”
OK, I now know
So,.. what will the Manosphere make of Jodi Arias??? Now that’s a woman to fear!
Well, MRA’s who showed up in the Slate comment section used Jodi Arias’ conviction and the fact that she will, at a minimum, spend the rest of her life in prison, as a pretext for discussing how women never get convicted of anything and never go to prison. Usual drek, generously sprinkled with familiar fifty-cent words.
“It is highly unusual for someone with such a high level of social success to be convicted of such spectacular crimes.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOH-iMYDBYg
Which is of course, why there was no Dateline show about it.
So, I refuse to read The Spearhead, because ick, and also the one time I tried to open that site my antivirus threw a fit, but…are they really attempting to shame Andrew for his supposed obsession with Chinese women? Really? After all the stuff they write about going East to find a submissive wife?
My irony meter just exploded.
WTF Price is involved with the Good Men mob? Gawd, any shred of credibility they had left* just disappeared. So glad Ozy got zirself clear of that!
Cassandra – I feel the same about reading any MRA sites. It’s a tossup which is worse: the computer viruses or the bacteria in human shape writing there.
*they didn’t really, but that puts it into the negatives
That’s one bit of “activism” they always have time for, showing up in the comment sections for news posts on the Internet and repeating all of their talking points.
The GMP has posts by W F Price and Elam, and their comment sections are full of MRA’s. It’s sad because I thought it had a lot of promise when it was started but instead it’s become AVfM part 2. I’m also very glad Ozy left it.