So The Spearhead has weighed in on the Cleveland abduction cases, and has not failed to disappoint.
Spearhead head boy WF Price uses the terrible unfolding drama as an opportunity to attack the notion of patriarchy. His logic: the alleged abductors weren’t rich dudes, so therefore patriarchy is a lie. No, really, that’s his argument:
Feminists love to point to these incidents and use them to discredit the overwhelming majority of ordinary men, as though they have anything in common with the Castro brothers. They are used to portray every middle class guy as a potential menace to society and freak who would keep girls in a sex dungeon. But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.
So why is it that despite the fact that the guys who commit these crimes are almost always on the bottom of the male power and privilege scale, feminists are constantly linking abuse of women to men’s power, and agitating for stripping what remaining male privilege exists?
It’s time for the patriarchy/male privilege narrative to be exposed for the sham it is. Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them. It is overwhelmingly the powerless, those without privilege and the undesirable who resort to crime to obtain sex. The few others, like Ted Bundy, are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.
Price ends his post with an especially nasty bit of victim blaming that seems to be a favorite trope of MRA types:
But perhaps the real issue here is that women aren’t as interested in making up stories about guys like the Castro brothers, because those guys don’t turn them on like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
Yes, that’s right: Price thinks that women worry about rape and abuse because the thought of being raped and abused by Christian Bale turns them on.
Of course, The Spearhead being The Spearhead, the comments are even worse. Norm starts the party off with this:
The Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.
Daniel, meanwhile, is angry that Ariel Castro’s alleged crimes have done real damage to … men. That is, if the whole thing isn’t a big false-flag fake:
The truth is, this was the worst that could happen for anti feminist public relations at the moment. If this guy – Mr Castro – only knew how much damage he has done to men by doing this.
The case is such a gift basket for feminism, that I almost suspect it is fabricated.
Groot blames feminists for driving non-alpha men to desperate measures to obtain access to “multiple women”:
What feminists fail to see is that as men are driven more and more by their agenda to the bottom of the power and privilege scale, more and more crimes like this will be committed. Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.
MRA agrees:
Heroic singles moms created most of these men, we can say that is women exploiting women. The Betas and Omega that commits such crimes are the results of 40 years of feminism raising the number if these low privilege class men.
Keyster offers up this miniature manifesto blaming feminism:
Of course feminists have been playing a game of “self-fulfilling prophecy” with regard to disenfranchising men and destroying the concept of the nuclear family. This can only manifest and perpetuate itself through more instances of disaffected and socially pathological males acting out. The male/female relationship is what tames the male. And so there will be more cases where feminists can say – “See, men are the problem.” But of course there will also be more females acting out that will not be reported or discussed – such as the recent proliferation of female teachers sexually abusing students.
Jacob Ian Stalk — you may remember his 12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists — moves beyond blaming feminism and “single moms” to blame the literal victims themselves:
I have to ask, how did three adult women with at least one child between them fail completely to make their distress known, if it ever existed, to anyone in their own street for ten years, unless they themselves had no intention of being found?
There’s a great deal more this case that we are being told by the hysterical press. Call me a trafficking apologist if it satisfies your need for drama, but I suspect we’ll find the women are nowhere near as innocent or as victimised (if at all) as the cutesy-pie pictures being plastered all over the papers suggests.
Doc, meanwhile, uses the horrific story as an opportunity to brag about his alleged success with the ladies:
The fact is that men who are desirable to women have no need to resort to these types of crimes. I pretty much have my pick of women for my bed, who will pay their own way so that they can have sex with me on trips that I take, and otherwise do whatever necessary to be with me.
So thanks to feminism I have an unending supply of 18-25 year old women who are more than willing to share my bed. Why would I want to commit a crime to limit myself to one, or in this case 3? Seems way too limiting to me – it would be worse than being married. No thank you…
That’s nice, Doc. You’re a moral monster.
EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a late-breaking extra-creepy comment from Darryl X, edited slightly (and paragraphs breaks added) because he’s not only creepy but very verbose. Also, as you’ll see, he apparently thinks Jerry Sandusky was innocent too.
I have a sneaky suspicion that these women (when they were still girls) selected these men. The same way more than half of all women in the US during the past forty-five years selected men for marriage knowing darn well they were going to divorce him later, take him for everything he’s got and then marry up. Too many things don’t add up about this case. So many that I am even willing to question whether or not these girls were even kidnapped. More likely they are runaways who thought they were getting a better deal with these men than with their own parents. And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …
When I try to think about how I would go about kidnapping just one teenager and hold her for a decade into her early 20′s in a suburban neighborhood, I am presented with so many logistical obstacles that it would seem near impossible to overcome all of them. Just for a few months let alone a decade. Then throw two more into the mix and that isn’t just near impossible but almost completely so. Not without their voluntary complicity. None of these guys looked to be of any excessive financial means. They weren’t rich. None of them looked like Einstein to me either. There was nothing accommodating about the geography. Their home wasn’t isolated from the community. It wasn’t off in the wilderness somewhere. It wasn’t remote. Think about how hard it would be to hold just one captive for a decade under these circumstances. Then think how hard it would be to hold three. The problems with that don’t grow linearly but exponentially. The cost. The risk of escape. Many other logistical problems.
I don’t buy any of this for a second. As soon as I heard this story, little red flags went up all over the place. Same with Casey Anthony and Arias and Strauss-Kahn and Sandusky (yes, I know). Too many red flags in this culture of feminism usually means something. I’m not sure what it means here but it definitely means something.
So, yeah. Actually, the other brothers aren’t being charged, so even that aspect of Darryl’s disgusting bullshit is off the mark.
Joeb, meanwhile, has a completely surreal and fucked-up Evo Psych take on the whole thing. It’s possibly the most perverse comment in the whole thread, which is saying something.
These men picked these women as sexual companionship , Not mating stock .
If they where looking for mating stock the number of off spring would have been Higher .
I think some men today get confused with Mating and breeding . VS sexual entertainment.
These men are predators but , They have Truly deprived themselves of the one thing men should be looking at , The quality of offspring .
I know its eugenics , but we all look for the best possible outcome when choosing . We want large Male children .
These men choose what I would consider ” good entertainment” but , Not worthy of my DNA .
We make suggestions ever so lightly around the MRA , the modern Male being smallish and effeminate, But when the Modern Male chooses his stock for procreation we chose fucking stock over breeding stock .
I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .
Most Likely they would have been The same ,pussy beggars :with the ability to influence any social setting .
What the hell, dude. I don’t even know where to start with this crap.
Yes, it’s so ironic: they pinpoint the few women who are attracted to jailbirds and bad guys and such as if they represent all females. Then they worry that the Castro bros. will be taken as being representative of all men. How about we stop thinking in mud-slinging sterotypes? Ooh, nooo, that wouldn’t serve their agenda. They claim they want a better world for all of us, but when the ugliness of their thoughts and feelings come tumbling out, they’re mad. In their world everyone female would be property, and we would live (if we did) under their whims. Every house would resemble the Castro place to some extent, according to the whim of the male heads of household. Seeing what kind of treatment they think is ok for us, no thank you.
I… I…
I don’t even have words for this… they have sunk to the ultimate low.
I really, really shouldn’t have read this. This is not good for my mental stability.
By the time I started to lurk in the feminist blogosphere to learn about what feminism is REALLY about, I’m growing more and more hatred towards the MRAs. Literal hatred.
Whenever I try to read the crap on AvfM and similar sites, I get red in the face for anger and close my browser immediately. I think of the patriarchal influence on society (something that I once was awfully blind to) and I get even angrier.
I can’t even bring myself to read the Italian MRA-ish websites I used to go to (and where I absorbed the anti-feminist propaganda that made be believe that straw feminism was the true feminism). Yes, there are “men’s rights” groups outside the USA too. Even if they’re more of a self-proclaimed “anti-feminist” group, rather than “official” MRAs.
I’m not ready to confront my old “comrades” for now.
And just to think I used to be one of them (as in, a sympathizer)… makes me want to punch my older self in the face.
I think I’m a sort of “rejection phase” right now.
Even if it’s highly improbable that they will ever become mainstream, I see them growing more and more, like a slowly, insidiously spreading cancer.
People like the MRAs are slowing down the progress of mankind.
Thank goodness for people like David and the AMR folks on Reddit who keeps exposing their misogyny and hate cult.
Will we ever see the MRM dismantled in our lifetime? I hope so, but I know that’s very unlikely.
Sorry if I sounded too overdramatic and/or over-emotional, and for my English (it’s not my native language, there may be some mistakes. I’m that Italian ex-antifeminist who posted on Reddit some weeks ago.)
Wall of text ends here. Should I have posted this in the open thread?
I can definitely understand how you’re feeling LeShiggedyDIggedy. I read this as an antidote to the evil but sometimes it’s too much. Usually those kind of posts are all good, but since we’ve got an active open thread, you’d probably get more responses over there. 🙂
It’s weird, most of the time my response to MRAs is “wow, what pathetic assholes”, but every once in a while I run across a comment that leaves me just gaping at the screen in slack-jawed horror. Joeb is today’s winner of the “WTF is wrong with you?” award.
@hrovitnir
Okay then! 🙂
@David: If you’re reading, feel free to delete my previous post in this thread, I’m reposting this in the open thread.
“WF Price has responded to this post in a very mature and thoughtful manner:”
I thought so too. Imagine that; we agree on something.
I’ve got a suggestion for you Futrelle:
Perhaps you and Mr Johnston can repel a few Asian women together. You could be his wingman.
Then, when even women in miserable circumstances continue to sneer at your supplications, the two of you can buy a place.
I hear there’s a house available in Cleveland, all set up for the only kind of action you’ll ever get.
Lol at the guy who had to write 2 paragraphs about how much pussay he gets! How sad.
The guy who rambles about “mating stock” and such nonsense, pathetic and reaching. I refuse to believe that anyone can be this delusional. Yeah, I really believe that you think that women are just subhuman animals and such stupidity. It’s so clearly a front and really just reeks of sad, high-school boy disgruntlement.
Barftastic stuff, really. I just can’t work up enough outrage for it anymore. Now I think the MRA stuff has gone over into pure entertainment. Am I getting desensitized?
Random – polar bear swimming icon! So cute!
New troll – about as cute as a steaming turd.
???I’m not a troll 🙁
Not you! His name is “woggy1”. Classy guy.
Thanks Kittehserf.
Yeah, I think it might be jinxed. I certainly didn’t intend to end up on this thread because honestly, I have no words…
Oh Ha! Jeez, pay attention Marci. Oh yeah, comes here to insult the sexual prowess of the blogger, how very original.
Cassandra:
OT, but can’t help myself…your icon looks like the seated Buddha from far away or in the tiny sidebar squares. Kinda cool.
GreySky – I think there’s an unknown hazard lurking inna depths. Everyone knows about the blockquote monster but who thinks of the [cue Jaws music] wrongthread monster?
LOL! If I had any interest in spirituality, Buddhism would be my religion of choice, so it fits. Plus my icon is a kitty and rubbing the belly of the Buddha is after all a tradition.
(The kitty tendency to respond with violence is very un-Buddhist, though.)
And they are wrong. These men are part of a spectrum of sexual violence against men, women, and children that includes sex trafficking, incest, and rape. They are part of a spectrum in which large institutions are complicit by hiding and shielding rapists to protect their image (Penn State, the Catholic church, Horace Mann, etc).
We are NOT saying that “all men are like this.” But these men are NOT an anomaly. Part of the problem is that our culture insists on viewing each of these cases as “isolated incidents” instead of part of a widespread pattern of abuse that infects every level of our society.
Could be a whole new movement there – Buddhism with Claws.
Why is the misogynist go-to response to being called out on their misogyny “I get a lotta poon”?
HAHA! The systematic rape and torture of three young women for a decade is so fucking funny!! HAHAHAHA!
Anomaly, amirite?
Ooooo, I missed that brilliant bit of violence-against-women-lollery.
Says something, doesn’t it, that the MRAs scream that “all men” will be tarred with the Castro brush – and then demonstrate how like him they, the MRM, really are.
GET REAL, WHERE’S YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR, IT WAS A JOKE, STOP BEING SO EMOTIONAL, ETC!
(Am I doing it right?)
I bought this book a while back called 3,096 days written by a woman who was also kidnapped and imprisoned for close to 10 years. She explains why she wasn’t able to escape earlier because of the psychological abuse. If you’re having trouble making sense of what happened to these 3 women, it could give some good insights.
Sorry, that’s 8 years. My math is not great tonight.
What’s coming through most strongly in the MRA responses to this is that they just don’t see why kidnapping a girl so that you can rape her is such a horrible thing to do. They seem to think it’s just sort of unfortunate, like they don’t quite understand what all the fuss is about. Like the lives of women and girls have no real value anyway, so why does it matter?
The fact that one of the commenters quoted above went directly to “how would I pull that off? was also rather telling.