So The Spearhead has weighed in on the Cleveland abduction cases, and has not failed to disappoint.
Spearhead head boy WF Price uses the terrible unfolding drama as an opportunity to attack the notion of patriarchy. His logic: the alleged abductors weren’t rich dudes, so therefore patriarchy is a lie. No, really, that’s his argument:
Feminists love to point to these incidents and use them to discredit the overwhelming majority of ordinary men, as though they have anything in common with the Castro brothers. They are used to portray every middle class guy as a potential menace to society and freak who would keep girls in a sex dungeon. But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.
So why is it that despite the fact that the guys who commit these crimes are almost always on the bottom of the male power and privilege scale, feminists are constantly linking abuse of women to men’s power, and agitating for stripping what remaining male privilege exists?
It’s time for the patriarchy/male privilege narrative to be exposed for the sham it is. Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them. It is overwhelmingly the powerless, those without privilege and the undesirable who resort to crime to obtain sex. The few others, like Ted Bundy, are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.
Price ends his post with an especially nasty bit of victim blaming that seems to be a favorite trope of MRA types:
But perhaps the real issue here is that women aren’t as interested in making up stories about guys like the Castro brothers, because those guys don’t turn them on like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
Yes, that’s right: Price thinks that women worry about rape and abuse because the thought of being raped and abused by Christian Bale turns them on.
Of course, The Spearhead being The Spearhead, the comments are even worse. Norm starts the party off with this:
The Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.
Daniel, meanwhile, is angry that Ariel Castro’s alleged crimes have done real damage to … men. That is, if the whole thing isn’t a big false-flag fake:
The truth is, this was the worst that could happen for anti feminist public relations at the moment. If this guy – Mr Castro – only knew how much damage he has done to men by doing this.
The case is such a gift basket for feminism, that I almost suspect it is fabricated.
Groot blames feminists for driving non-alpha men to desperate measures to obtain access to “multiple women”:
What feminists fail to see is that as men are driven more and more by their agenda to the bottom of the power and privilege scale, more and more crimes like this will be committed. Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.
MRA agrees:
Heroic singles moms created most of these men, we can say that is women exploiting women. The Betas and Omega that commits such crimes are the results of 40 years of feminism raising the number if these low privilege class men.
Keyster offers up this miniature manifesto blaming feminism:
Of course feminists have been playing a game of “self-fulfilling prophecy” with regard to disenfranchising men and destroying the concept of the nuclear family. This can only manifest and perpetuate itself through more instances of disaffected and socially pathological males acting out. The male/female relationship is what tames the male. And so there will be more cases where feminists can say – “See, men are the problem.” But of course there will also be more females acting out that will not be reported or discussed – such as the recent proliferation of female teachers sexually abusing students.
Jacob Ian Stalk — you may remember his 12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists — moves beyond blaming feminism and “single moms” to blame the literal victims themselves:
I have to ask, how did three adult women with at least one child between them fail completely to make their distress known, if it ever existed, to anyone in their own street for ten years, unless they themselves had no intention of being found?
There’s a great deal more this case that we are being told by the hysterical press. Call me a trafficking apologist if it satisfies your need for drama, but I suspect we’ll find the women are nowhere near as innocent or as victimised (if at all) as the cutesy-pie pictures being plastered all over the papers suggests.
Doc, meanwhile, uses the horrific story as an opportunity to brag about his alleged success with the ladies:
The fact is that men who are desirable to women have no need to resort to these types of crimes. I pretty much have my pick of women for my bed, who will pay their own way so that they can have sex with me on trips that I take, and otherwise do whatever necessary to be with me.
So thanks to feminism I have an unending supply of 18-25 year old women who are more than willing to share my bed. Why would I want to commit a crime to limit myself to one, or in this case 3? Seems way too limiting to me – it would be worse than being married. No thank you…
That’s nice, Doc. You’re a moral monster.
EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a late-breaking extra-creepy comment from Darryl X, edited slightly (and paragraphs breaks added) because he’s not only creepy but very verbose. Also, as you’ll see, he apparently thinks Jerry Sandusky was innocent too.
I have a sneaky suspicion that these women (when they were still girls) selected these men. The same way more than half of all women in the US during the past forty-five years selected men for marriage knowing darn well they were going to divorce him later, take him for everything he’s got and then marry up. Too many things don’t add up about this case. So many that I am even willing to question whether or not these girls were even kidnapped. More likely they are runaways who thought they were getting a better deal with these men than with their own parents. And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …
When I try to think about how I would go about kidnapping just one teenager and hold her for a decade into her early 20′s in a suburban neighborhood, I am presented with so many logistical obstacles that it would seem near impossible to overcome all of them. Just for a few months let alone a decade. Then throw two more into the mix and that isn’t just near impossible but almost completely so. Not without their voluntary complicity. None of these guys looked to be of any excessive financial means. They weren’t rich. None of them looked like Einstein to me either. There was nothing accommodating about the geography. Their home wasn’t isolated from the community. It wasn’t off in the wilderness somewhere. It wasn’t remote. Think about how hard it would be to hold just one captive for a decade under these circumstances. Then think how hard it would be to hold three. The problems with that don’t grow linearly but exponentially. The cost. The risk of escape. Many other logistical problems.
I don’t buy any of this for a second. As soon as I heard this story, little red flags went up all over the place. Same with Casey Anthony and Arias and Strauss-Kahn and Sandusky (yes, I know). Too many red flags in this culture of feminism usually means something. I’m not sure what it means here but it definitely means something.
So, yeah. Actually, the other brothers aren’t being charged, so even that aspect of Darryl’s disgusting bullshit is off the mark.
Joeb, meanwhile, has a completely surreal and fucked-up Evo Psych take on the whole thing. It’s possibly the most perverse comment in the whole thread, which is saying something.
These men picked these women as sexual companionship , Not mating stock .
If they where looking for mating stock the number of off spring would have been Higher .
I think some men today get confused with Mating and breeding . VS sexual entertainment.
These men are predators but , They have Truly deprived themselves of the one thing men should be looking at , The quality of offspring .
I know its eugenics , but we all look for the best possible outcome when choosing . We want large Male children .
These men choose what I would consider ” good entertainment” but , Not worthy of my DNA .
We make suggestions ever so lightly around the MRA , the modern Male being smallish and effeminate, But when the Modern Male chooses his stock for procreation we chose fucking stock over breeding stock .
I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .
Most Likely they would have been The same ,pussy beggars :with the ability to influence any social setting .
What the hell, dude. I don’t even know where to start with this crap.
Daryl X proves everything we say about MRAs is true when he posts shit like this:
“And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …”
It just occurred to me that these assholes could never go mainstream. They’ll have to be content sermonizing from underneath the rocks where they live. Yes, even in a world were there is still sexism these guys would be shunned by polite society.
And Joeb:
“I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .”
Notice he spelled which “witch,” because he’s got evil ladies on the brain. These boys need therapy, lots and lots of therapy.
All I know is that Hyperbole and a Half will be updated which means that Allie Brosh is doing better. Even if she never posts again after tomorrow, I know that my and thousands of others’ life has been made richer for what she has written in the past.
Which is way better of a legacy than anything those twizzlerheads at the Spearhead will leave.
I will be wearing my “I Can Do Anything” shirt tomorrow. 🙂
Aw fuck. It just keeps getting worse. Jezebel is reporting that Castro impregnated Knight multiple times and then forced miscarriages through starvation and blows to the abdomen.
He also wrote a suicide letter several years ago where he blames the girls for his actions by getting into his vehicle.
Oh but according to MRA shitweasels, rape culture, patriarchy, and misogyny don’t real.
http://jezebel.com/police-report-for-cleveland-kidnappings-released-its-497290764
So… don’t MRAs complain that feminists will take even the most obvious cases of women doing wrong and make excuses for them, blame some guy, etc?
… And aren’t they taking even the most indefensible cases and drawing up elaborate theories of false flags and trying their best to blame the women?
Self-awareness must be so rare these days…
Next time some troll bleats about “moderate MRAs” and how reasonable they are, and how the Spearhead and AVfM are such reputable sites, this would be a prime example of how
a) gullible
b) stupid
c) disingenuous
d) any combination of a, b or c
they are. This is the lowest yet, though doubtless not as low as they can go. There’s no bottom to that barrel.
*Second “they” meaning the MRM, of course.
Slightly OT, but I somehow seem to have drawn the ire of the Spearhead. I haven’t actually read the post yet, but judging by the title, it’s probably racist comments about my ex-fiancee. It really brings me back to my political blogging days, when I made fun of some Freepers and they accused me of being a Chinese sleeper agent. Ah, memories.
Ahahahahaha, Andrew, you’re famous on the internet! Well, on Spearhead, anyway. The post is about your “Why I Can’t Move on Post.” Apparently, since you care about Aubrey, you’re begging all Chinese girls to get in touch with you. Because women are all one and the same, right? They think they’re pointing out your hypocrisy! And thus everyone’s here! The logic fail is bringing tears to my eyes.
I tend to hear wolf more than lion, personally. Maybe it is a regional thing?
And bahumbugi, that Ted Talk has been making the rounds, and on another space I’m in it was answered with a lot of vitriol about how the CDC has shown that women initiate violence more than men. (A paper by Whitaker in 2007). Also that the bystander effect actually favours women, as shown in an ABC news “What would you do” report.
I haven’t had a chance to dig into the Whitaker paper, although it seems to use the conflict tactics scale and make no distinction on context or escalation. (IT does note women end up hurt more in interpersonal violence.) Anyone more familiar with it?
(This person went on to quote Erin Pizzney, and ranted about “The Duluth Model” so I’m not hopeful of reasoned debate.)
@serrana: I’m honored, truly.
I’ve been writing blogs for ten years, during which I’ve been targeted by harassing posts, doxx attempts, people imitating me in comment threads, you name it. This always happened when I was writing about controversial topics, so it was just the nature of the beast. But now I maintain a very small blog about literature and Chinese culture – how the hell does that get me marked? Even after all this time, I still haven’t learned how sad and petty these assholes really are.
You know, I’ve heard the mensrightssub referred to as a cesspool. Have to say yes, this response from them is so disgusting, it’s a seriously stinking broken sewer line. I mean even rats have the sense not to go where they go, and they even think they don’t need hazmat suits.
Uh huh, it’s just another of the gazillion special incidents of lowlifes, nutters, and evils who happen to be male. Just a special special unusual incident. (Several gazillion incidents later – it’s not on us, not on men, all those men are just special weird anomalous snowflakey nutters and whythehelldonwefixourmentalhealthsystem).
Uh huh.
And stalkerish! Don’t forget stalkerish.
I think the Spearhead’s point was that all men will be likened to these three, even though they are an anomaly, and insisting that it’s all about ‘male power’, of which, well, these guys didn’t seem to have an excess.
“Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them.”
That was his point. Reading comprehension was never your strong point, was it?
Of course, those guys on r/mensrights are DEFINITELY not going to say feminists are overreacting when they get annoyed at a sexist joke.
“he Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.”
You don’t think so? Go check out the support pages on FB for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, or the Boston Globe article about ‘Feeling empathy for Dzhokhar’ (which they changed the title of after an uproar).
Look up how many marriage proposals Scott Peterson, the wife killer, has gotten.
Or about Joran Van Der Sloot getting someone pregnant while incarcerated.
Or the woman who wants to marry the Aurora shooter.
It’s not a figment of the imagination…
Reading comprehension right off the bat? Didn’t we just ban a reading-comprehension troll?
Fuck it, I don’t want to have any conversation relating to a kidnapping that isn’t “It’s terrible that someone got kidnapped!” So for everyone else, here’s a story about Time Warner cable technicians rescuing a kitten.
They aren’t an anomaly, dude. That’s my point.
as for the benighted sadass women who engage with them, welcome to a subordinate class below what you ever dreamed possible, dude.
princessbonbon, that news about Allie Brosh is a breath of fresh air after the avalanche of sewage from the Spearhead. So glad I read the comments enough to find your post. Can’t wait for tomorrow’s HAAH post..
Too bad it’s a shitty point. A point that relies on the false assumption that class privilege is necessarily indicative of male privilege, even though class privilege and male privilege aren’t the same. It also rests on a severe misunderstanding of how male privilege works in general, as evidenced by, among other things, the laughable assertion that patriarchal men are necessarily benevolent towards women.
I don’t know, but certainly the idea that these women speak for all of us is a figment of your misogynistic imagination. People like you are disgusting.
WF Price has responded to this post in a very mature and thoughtful manner:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/05/08/manboobz-chronicles-i-so-ronery-by-andrew-johnston/
‘I don’t know, but certainly the idea that these women speak for all of us is a figment of your misogynistic imagination.’
Did I say that? What is it with people not being able to read here? Someone at the Spearhead said that there would be women who would think these guys were hot, y’all fainted at the idea, so I posted some real life examples, nothing more, nothing less. Nowhere did I say that they represented all women, no indeedy. That’s YOUR biased little imagination.
‘People like you are disgusting.’
Much, much easier to call me a name than to actually engage a few brain cells and address the issue that was addressed, that you all denied, that some women do love thugs. The fact that some women love thugs, and the fact that I said so, does not a misogynist make. No comment on the actual issue?
I forgot to add the four prison guards all pregnant by the same inmate. My bad.
I came here thinking I’d find an article about what a mangina Charles Ramsey is for refusing the reward money offered and stating that it should go to the women he helped rescue.
How the MRM could sink this low…
But, anyway. Charles Ramsey. What a heck of an incredible human being.
My bad. But you should have clarified, because most MRA shitheads I’ve talked to love to point at a few women who express their attraction to such men and then conclude that this is some kind of trend among most women. And not too long ago another misogynist talked about Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s girlfriend in order to show that she’s representative of all American women. He pretty much mentioned her experiences in order to “prove” that all American women like to be around abusive men.
What is interesting is not that worthless “issue” that MRAs only use to justify their sexism as far as I can tell, but rather the fact that The Spearhead never fails to be appalling.
Anyone who comes into a thread about behaviour as revolting as that described in the op and chooses to spend their time being deliberately obtuse is not here in good faith.
You’d think MRAs and not-MRAs-but would have the good sense to keep their bullshit away from such incredibly vile (heh) subject matter. Even if you were actually honest you have shown your deep lack of empathy by not being utterly disgusted anyone could react the way the… people… quoted here did.