So The Spearhead has weighed in on the Cleveland abduction cases, and has not failed to disappoint.
Spearhead head boy WF Price uses the terrible unfolding drama as an opportunity to attack the notion of patriarchy. His logic: the alleged abductors weren’t rich dudes, so therefore patriarchy is a lie. No, really, that’s his argument:
Feminists love to point to these incidents and use them to discredit the overwhelming majority of ordinary men, as though they have anything in common with the Castro brothers. They are used to portray every middle class guy as a potential menace to society and freak who would keep girls in a sex dungeon. But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.
So why is it that despite the fact that the guys who commit these crimes are almost always on the bottom of the male power and privilege scale, feminists are constantly linking abuse of women to men’s power, and agitating for stripping what remaining male privilege exists?
It’s time for the patriarchy/male privilege narrative to be exposed for the sham it is. Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them. It is overwhelmingly the powerless, those without privilege and the undesirable who resort to crime to obtain sex. The few others, like Ted Bundy, are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.
Price ends his post with an especially nasty bit of victim blaming that seems to be a favorite trope of MRA types:
But perhaps the real issue here is that women aren’t as interested in making up stories about guys like the Castro brothers, because those guys don’t turn them on like Christian Bale in American Psycho.
Yes, that’s right: Price thinks that women worry about rape and abuse because the thought of being raped and abused by Christian Bale turns them on.
Of course, The Spearhead being The Spearhead, the comments are even worse. Norm starts the party off with this:
The Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.
Daniel, meanwhile, is angry that Ariel Castro’s alleged crimes have done real damage to … men. That is, if the whole thing isn’t a big false-flag fake:
The truth is, this was the worst that could happen for anti feminist public relations at the moment. If this guy – Mr Castro – only knew how much damage he has done to men by doing this.
The case is such a gift basket for feminism, that I almost suspect it is fabricated.
Groot blames feminists for driving non-alpha men to desperate measures to obtain access to “multiple women”:
What feminists fail to see is that as men are driven more and more by their agenda to the bottom of the power and privilege scale, more and more crimes like this will be committed. Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.
MRA agrees:
Heroic singles moms created most of these men, we can say that is women exploiting women. The Betas and Omega that commits such crimes are the results of 40 years of feminism raising the number if these low privilege class men.
Keyster offers up this miniature manifesto blaming feminism:
Of course feminists have been playing a game of “self-fulfilling prophecy” with regard to disenfranchising men and destroying the concept of the nuclear family. This can only manifest and perpetuate itself through more instances of disaffected and socially pathological males acting out. The male/female relationship is what tames the male. And so there will be more cases where feminists can say – “See, men are the problem.” But of course there will also be more females acting out that will not be reported or discussed – such as the recent proliferation of female teachers sexually abusing students.
Jacob Ian Stalk — you may remember his 12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists — moves beyond blaming feminism and “single moms” to blame the literal victims themselves:
I have to ask, how did three adult women with at least one child between them fail completely to make their distress known, if it ever existed, to anyone in their own street for ten years, unless they themselves had no intention of being found?
There’s a great deal more this case that we are being told by the hysterical press. Call me a trafficking apologist if it satisfies your need for drama, but I suspect we’ll find the women are nowhere near as innocent or as victimised (if at all) as the cutesy-pie pictures being plastered all over the papers suggests.
Doc, meanwhile, uses the horrific story as an opportunity to brag about his alleged success with the ladies:
The fact is that men who are desirable to women have no need to resort to these types of crimes. I pretty much have my pick of women for my bed, who will pay their own way so that they can have sex with me on trips that I take, and otherwise do whatever necessary to be with me.
So thanks to feminism I have an unending supply of 18-25 year old women who are more than willing to share my bed. Why would I want to commit a crime to limit myself to one, or in this case 3? Seems way too limiting to me – it would be worse than being married. No thank you…
That’s nice, Doc. You’re a moral monster.
EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a late-breaking extra-creepy comment from Darryl X, edited slightly (and paragraphs breaks added) because he’s not only creepy but very verbose. Also, as you’ll see, he apparently thinks Jerry Sandusky was innocent too.
I have a sneaky suspicion that these women (when they were still girls) selected these men. The same way more than half of all women in the US during the past forty-five years selected men for marriage knowing darn well they were going to divorce him later, take him for everything he’s got and then marry up. Too many things don’t add up about this case. So many that I am even willing to question whether or not these girls were even kidnapped. More likely they are runaways who thought they were getting a better deal with these men than with their own parents. And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …
When I try to think about how I would go about kidnapping just one teenager and hold her for a decade into her early 20′s in a suburban neighborhood, I am presented with so many logistical obstacles that it would seem near impossible to overcome all of them. Just for a few months let alone a decade. Then throw two more into the mix and that isn’t just near impossible but almost completely so. Not without their voluntary complicity. None of these guys looked to be of any excessive financial means. They weren’t rich. None of them looked like Einstein to me either. There was nothing accommodating about the geography. Their home wasn’t isolated from the community. It wasn’t off in the wilderness somewhere. It wasn’t remote. Think about how hard it would be to hold just one captive for a decade under these circumstances. Then think how hard it would be to hold three. The problems with that don’t grow linearly but exponentially. The cost. The risk of escape. Many other logistical problems.
I don’t buy any of this for a second. As soon as I heard this story, little red flags went up all over the place. Same with Casey Anthony and Arias and Strauss-Kahn and Sandusky (yes, I know). Too many red flags in this culture of feminism usually means something. I’m not sure what it means here but it definitely means something.
So, yeah. Actually, the other brothers aren’t being charged, so even that aspect of Darryl’s disgusting bullshit is off the mark.
Joeb, meanwhile, has a completely surreal and fucked-up Evo Psych take on the whole thing. It’s possibly the most perverse comment in the whole thread, which is saying something.
These men picked these women as sexual companionship , Not mating stock .
If they where looking for mating stock the number of off spring would have been Higher .
I think some men today get confused with Mating and breeding . VS sexual entertainment.
These men are predators but , They have Truly deprived themselves of the one thing men should be looking at , The quality of offspring .
I know its eugenics , but we all look for the best possible outcome when choosing . We want large Male children .
These men choose what I would consider ” good entertainment” but , Not worthy of my DNA .
We make suggestions ever so lightly around the MRA , the modern Male being smallish and effeminate, But when the Modern Male chooses his stock for procreation we chose fucking stock over breeding stock .
I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .
Most Likely they would have been The same ,pussy beggars :with the ability to influence any social setting .
What the hell, dude. I don’t even know where to start with this crap.
@MordsithJ – “Globalman is/was Peter Andrew Nolan (c).”
Oh gawd. That makes sense. I wonder if that’s where he got his staring-down-dog-packs-that-were-totally-attacking him stuff from – his alien forebears? (That was him, wasn’t it? Can’t have been JohntheOtter or he’d have used those powers on the boxcutter-wielding mob.)
@Cassandra – “The whole “you people would never criticize one of your own this way!” thing is especially funny in light of them, um, food fight we just had in another thread.”
Dang. Food fights aren’t as much fun as they’re reputed to be!
crella: He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser?
Goalpost shifting. You asked for evidence he had committed abuse. That the courts preventing him from having access is a mark in their favor; since he refused to engage in the least effort to show that he wouldn’t abuse her again.
If you lose your temper and hit your child, you’re in agreement that they should be taken away from you? If it were you, you would agree? No second chance, just never see them again? That’s right and just?
Automatically, no. But it wasn’t automatic. The court said that he needed to take one (1) class in anger management. He refused. It was that refusal which cost him access to that child (he was not denied access to his other child).
It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing)
Despite links to just that.
crella, you do realize that not all of the comments posted here, and showing up in your email inbox, are actually responses to you, right?
Bob Dole quoted Price saying this:
“Empowering men in their families will not lead to more crimes against women and girls, but fewer. Fathers are protective of their children – both male and female – and husbands protective of wives. Married women are healthier and live significantly longer than singles[.]”
But some folks who don’t pull facts outta their ass think this:
“The Queensland University and Queensland University of Technology study – Marriage dissolution and health amongst the elderly: the role of social and economic resources – was based on a sample of 2300 Australians over 60 and will be published in the forthcoming issue of the journal Just Policy.
It shows that divorced, widowed and never-married elderly women reported significantly better general health than married women, challenging long-held beliefs that married people had better overall physical and mental health than non-married.
“Maybe married women are worn out from looking after their husbands,” said researcher Belinda Hewitt, of the school of social science at the University of Queensland.”
Oh, Crella on Ball:
“I mainly feel sorry for anyone pushed that far.”
But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 years. I mean shit, when something like that explodes in the news, it really is the best time to lament how some women are attracted to criminals. Nice. Fucking callous.
Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:
“To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.”
“crella, you do realize that not all of the comments posted here, and showing up in your email inbox, are actually responses to you, right?”
But David, she’s a feMRA! Everything’s always about them and MRAs!
Let’s turn this around, shall we? You are supporting a movement that supports a guy who hit a toddler so hard that he made her bleed. Why would you do that? Why would anyone do that?
Your exact words: Praising George Sandini? Marc Lepine? If someone here, a regular, posted something crazy, does that mean all of you bear responsibility for those comments, and you all share that opinion?
That. Right there. You’re trying to compare praising someone, to being assumed to agree with something said by someone else in a common space. It’s right there in your own comment. I mean, really.
Wow I sent out a blast on youtube asking how long it would take for the MRA to try and blame feminism, well it only took two days.
Well you know the rules. Women are responsible for what men do to them. All ways. Always. That’s MRA bedrock.
Maybe we’ve all moved on from this, but I have to say that men fucking do this too.
Karla Faye Tucker, anyone?
What about this?
“Longo is, indeed, making money on death row. But not on the market. He’s really providing titillating letters and phone sex to a couple of gay men. This is a rather common fetish, it turns out; whenever a new inmate arrives on death row, according to Longo, he’ll be inundated by letters from men (who’ve followed the case through the media) seeking a prison lover, perhaps turned on by the thought of an amorous murderer. Such men — known as “ATMs” — will return the favor with generous deposits in a prison account.”
It’s something some people do. It’s not another reason women suck.
Do I even have to mention the men who swoon over female teachers who get busted for molesting male students?
MordsithJ – like the Spearheader David blogged about here.
The fact that he advocated terrorism and the fact that he abused his daughter. What kind of question is that?
No, but that’s not what we’re saying. What we are saying is that countless MRAs are supportive of or at least apologetic towards Thomas Ball, Marc Lepine, and so on. And that’s quite disturbing.
Oh, and you know that very popular MRA who goes by the name Angry Harry? He believes that women in abusive relationships like being abused.
Maybe, just maybe, there’s an MRA out there who isn’t an asshole. I just haven’t seen such an MRA yet, unfortunately.
Is it just me or is anyone else reading crellas name as cruella?
@kittehs
” though the breeding thing kinda makes sense if you substitute Furrinati for Illuminati. They need servants with thumbs. Someone’s gotta open the tins, scritch their bellies, and take photos to post on the intertubes to reinforce their mind-control with TEH CUTE.”
We need to write a book about this. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! (And the income from the book would mean less dependence on the job so I could stay within mind controlling range…I mean home.. more often and still afford the food and treats).
No funny retorts from me. This whole affair has literally made me sick to my stomach. The thought of sharing the same planet with these… these… whatever, I don’t have words. Going to go and throw up now.
I didn’t say I couldn’t keep up with them. I was not whining.
I said I am not trolling, but answering replies.
So, you want to answer my posts and not have me read them? You just want to posture without opposition?
Calling me a dipshit doesn’t answer any of my questions. As usual.
“But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 years.”
I said that !? Who’s lying?
“Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:
“To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.””
You want me to list names of people on the Spearhead and Mancoat who are black!?
I’ll see if they’d agree first….
You’re just being petty now.
Argenti, was away for a while, but that’s possibly the drug I thought of. It was so long ago since I read this article that I really don’t remember the name of the drug of how reputable a source was behind the article, but presumably there’s a drug which can cause long-term depression because it “depletes” the brain’s resources of certain neurotransmitters if you use it everyday for some time.
Anyway, regarding this “women are defiled by sex thing” – it sometimes amazes me how deeply entrenched in our culture is the idea of this sealed-up virgin vagina and then the first guy you have PIV with will break the seal. I’ve come across even sex-positive people who believe it. Even those who denounce the word “hymen” and say “there’s no hymen, there’s just the ‘vagina-fringe'” (or whatever sex-positive word they wanna use instead of ‘hymen’, here in Sweden there’s been a certain amount of campaigning for ‘vagina-fringe’).
They’ll first say “there’s only the vagina-fringe” – and next thing they say that their first PIV experience wasn’t painful, because they had presumably BROKEN THEIR VAGINA-FRINGE ALREADY DOING SPORTS. Seriously, guys? That’s the to-go-to explanation among people who perpetrate the sealed-up-virgin-vagina myth – that all these people who didn’t experience PIV as painful the first time they did it, must have broken their seal already “doing sports”. It’s such a fucked-up myth – like what kind of sports are we talking about here? IF all virgin vaginas were more or less sealed up, how the fuck could you break that seal doing sports? (Coach: “No Lisa, that’s not how you hold the hockey stick!”) Some sex-positive feminists suggested replacing ‘hymen’ with ‘vagina-fringe’ simply because they wanted to get rid of this sealed-up-virgin-vagina-myth, but apparently that myth is so deeply entrenched in our culture that people often keep clinging to it even after embracing sex-positive feminism, and even after ditching the WORD ‘hymen’.
@neuroticbeagle:
“We need to write a book about this. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! (And the income from the book would mean less dependence on the job so I could stay within mind controlling range…I mean home.. more often and still afford the food and treats).”
We do! But you know nobody will believe the
FurrinatiFurrinatorsinnocent dogs and cats could be such evil masterminds. They are the masters of PAWSIBLE DENIABILITY.“reactionary asshats pearl-clutch”
LMAO! I cannot get enough of the word play that you guys use, so fucking awesome.
crella:
If you go about reading and posting on a website for MRAs and see totally disgusting shit being said, you don’t feel like it would behoove you and others to address it and disavow yourself from it? If I went to the comment sections here and (even though I am new) saw something one of the people on “my side” was saying and it was akin to what quoted MRAs have said, I would not simply ignore it…especially if nobody else seemed to be addressing it. This is what these types of forums are for, reasonable discourse and consciousness-raising, I would think. Otherwise what is the point of it all?
I find it rather frustrating that MRAs come on here and try to pretend that we can’t see right through their BS, i.e that they know full well that many, if not most, of the people in their movement are extremists. Why not come here and actually OWN the shit you believe in and argue it from a place of actual integrity. That would prove that you (crella and others of your ilk) were not merely trolls.
Crella, you can stop posting now. Pretending you’re not a troll is getting old.
You quoted me, at least partially, here. Leaving out the part where I imply you are crass for making gross statements in light of the three young women’s situation:
“But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 year.”
Then you felt compelled to write this:
“I said that !? Who’s lying?”
Don’t know why you bothered. Your insensitivity is all over the thread. Read it.
Earlier, you posted this:
“To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.”
I replied:
“Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:
Hilariously, you responded with this:
“You want me to list names of people on the Spearhead and Mancoat who are black!?
I’ll see if they’d agree first….”
Right. Okay. You know specifically which members are black, even though you can’t see them and have never met them in meatspace before. Oh, and lets pretend that a lot of minorities are eager to affiliate themselves with a hate group. Honestly, crella, you’re so fucking remedial, you’re not even clever enough to be here. You’re astonished by the email notification system, for christ’s sake.
I’m reading it as Credulous.
Crellas isn’t cool enogh to be Cruell de Vil.