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MRAs at The Spearhead Blame Women, Feminism for Cleveland Abductions

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So The Spearhead has weighed in on the Cleveland abduction cases, and has not failed to disappoint.

Spearhead head boy WF Price uses the terrible unfolding drama as an opportunity to attack the notion of patriarchy. His logic: the alleged abductors weren’t rich dudes, so therefore patriarchy is a lie. No, really, that’s his argument:

Feminists love to point to these incidents and use them to discredit the overwhelming majority of ordinary men, as though they have anything in common with the Castro brothers. They are used to portray every middle class guy as a potential menace to society and freak who would keep girls in a sex dungeon. But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.

So why is it that despite the fact that the guys who commit these crimes are almost always on the bottom of the male power and privilege scale, feminists are constantly linking abuse of women to men’s power, and agitating for stripping what remaining male privilege exists?

It’s time for the patriarchy/male privilege narrative to be exposed for the sham it is. Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them. It is overwhelmingly the powerless, those without privilege and the undesirable who resort to crime to obtain sex. The few others, like Ted Bundy, are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.

Price ends his post with an especially nasty bit of victim blaming that seems to be a favorite trope of MRA types:

But perhaps the real issue here is that women aren’t as interested in making up stories about guys like the Castro brothers, because those guys don’t turn them on like Christian Bale in American Psycho.

Yes, that’s right: Price thinks that women worry about rape and abuse because the thought of being raped and abused by Christian Bale turns them on.

Of course, The Spearhead being The Spearhead, the comments are even worse. Norm starts the party off with this:

The Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.

Daniel, meanwhile, is angry that Ariel Castro’s alleged crimes have done real damage to … men. That is, if the whole thing isn’t a big false-flag fake:

The truth is, this was the worst that could happen for anti feminist public relations at the moment. If this guy – Mr Castro – only knew how much damage he has done to men by doing this.

The case is such a gift basket for feminism, that I almost suspect it is fabricated.

Groot blames feminists for driving non-alpha men to desperate measures to obtain access to “multiple women”:

What feminists fail to see is that as men are driven more and more by their agenda to the bottom of the power and privilege scale, more and more crimes like this will be committed. Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.

MRA agrees:

Heroic singles moms created most of these men, we can say that is women exploiting women. The Betas and Omega that commits such crimes are the results of 40 years of feminism raising the number if these low privilege class men.

Keyster offers up this miniature manifesto blaming feminism:

Of course feminists have been playing a game of “self-fulfilling prophecy” with regard to disenfranchising men and destroying the concept of the nuclear family. This can only manifest and perpetuate itself through more instances of disaffected and socially pathological males acting out. The male/female relationship is what tames the male. And so there will be more cases where feminists can say – “See, men are the problem.” But of course there will also be more females acting out that will not be reported or discussed – such as the recent proliferation of female teachers sexually abusing students.

Jacob Ian Stalk — you may remember his 12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists — moves beyond blaming feminism and “single moms” to blame the literal victims themselves:

I have to ask, how did three adult women with at least one child between them fail completely to make their distress known, if it ever existed, to anyone in their own street for ten years, unless they themselves had no intention of being found?

There’s a great deal more this case that we are being told by the hysterical press. Call me a trafficking apologist if it satisfies your need for drama, but I suspect we’ll find the women are nowhere near as innocent or as victimised (if at all) as the cutesy-pie pictures being plastered all over the papers suggests.

Doc, meanwhile, uses the horrific story as an opportunity to brag about his alleged success with the ladies:

The fact is that men who are desirable to women have no need to resort to these types of crimes. I pretty much have my pick of women for my bed, who will pay their own way so that they can have sex with me on trips that I take, and otherwise do whatever necessary to be with me.

So thanks to feminism I have an unending supply of 18-25 year old women who are more than willing to share my bed. Why would I want to commit a crime to limit myself to one, or in this case 3? Seems way too limiting to me – it would be worse than being married. No thank you…

That’s nice, Doc. You’re a moral monster.

EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a late-breaking extra-creepy comment from Darryl X, edited slightly (and paragraphs breaks added) because he’s not only creepy but very verbose. Also, as you’ll see, he apparently thinks Jerry Sandusky was innocent too.

I have a sneaky suspicion that these women (when they were still girls) selected these men. The same way more than half of all women in the US during the past forty-five years selected men for marriage knowing darn well they were going to divorce him later, take him for everything he’s got and then marry up. Too many things don’t add up about this case. So many that I am even willing to question whether or not these girls were even kidnapped. More likely they are runaways who thought they were getting a better deal with these men than with their own parents. And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …

When I try to think about how I would go about kidnapping just one teenager and hold her for a decade into her early 20′s in a suburban neighborhood, I am presented with so many logistical obstacles that it would seem near impossible to overcome all of them. Just for a few months let alone a decade. Then throw two more into the mix and that isn’t just near impossible but almost completely so. Not without their voluntary complicity. None of these guys looked to be of any excessive financial means. They weren’t rich. None of them looked like Einstein to me either. There was nothing accommodating about the geography. Their home wasn’t isolated from the community. It wasn’t off in the wilderness somewhere. It wasn’t remote. Think about how hard it would be to hold just one captive for a decade under these circumstances. Then think how hard it would be to hold three. The problems with that don’t grow linearly but exponentially. The cost. The risk of escape. Many other logistical problems.

I don’t buy any of this for a second. As soon as I heard this story, little red flags went up all over the place. Same with Casey Anthony and Arias and Strauss-Kahn and Sandusky (yes, I know). Too many red flags in this culture of feminism usually means something. I’m not sure what it means here but it definitely means something.

So, yeah. Actually, the other brothers aren’t being charged, so even that aspect of Darryl’s disgusting bullshit is off the mark.

Joeb, meanwhile, has a completely surreal and fucked-up Evo Psych take on the whole thing. It’s possibly the most perverse comment in the whole thread, which is saying something.

These men picked these women as sexual companionship , Not mating stock .
If they where looking for mating stock the number of off spring would have been Higher .
I think some men today get confused with Mating and breeding . VS sexual entertainment.
These men are predators but , They have Truly deprived themselves of the one thing men should be looking at , The quality of offspring .
I know its eugenics , but we all look for the best possible outcome when choosing . We want large Male children .
These men choose what I would consider ” good entertainment” but , Not worthy of my DNA .
We make suggestions ever so lightly around the MRA , the modern Male being smallish and effeminate, But when the Modern Male chooses his stock for procreation we chose fucking stock over breeding stock .
I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .
Most Likely they would have been The same ,pussy beggars :with the ability to influence any social setting .

What the hell, dude. I don’t even know where to start with this crap.

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Rane
Rane
7 years ago

Why aren’t MRAs getting psychological help?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
7 years ago

These fucking shit birds –

Nope. Can’t do it today.

I remember how I felt with the Sowell case. And now this, shit.

Fuck the spearhead.

L
L
7 years ago

Every time I think these clowns have hit rock bottom, it’s like, “Oh no, THERE’S A LOWER SPOT.”

These guys make me ill. Fucking twits.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Leave it to them to ignore how this incident is just part of a spectrum of child exploitation and sex trafficking that goes on around the world, from runaway teens being forced into prostitution to widespread rape that is shielded and hidden by institutions who fear the “embarrassment” of being discovered (Horace Mann, Penn State, the Catholic church, etc).

Let’s pretend that this is just an “isolated incident.” And yet, at the same time, claim that it’s the fault of feminists for “changing the culture.”

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.

Also, this shit right here? This is the same shit they said after George Sodini murdered those women. We’re responsible for keeping all men sexually satisfied otherwise they HAVE to kill and rape and beat us.

FUCK THAT and FUCK YOU.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

BTW, the best thing about this case was a line in the CNN story, where it pointed out that the neighbor who heard the woman calling for help initially figured it was a domestic disturbance–and intervened. That? That’s a sign that we’re winning, slowly but surely. (Pity there’s some evidence that the cops ignored prior calls during the past decade from nearby residents about the situation being strange–I can’t help but wonder if the number of Hispanic surnames in the neighborhood has anything to do with it.)

Bostonian
Bostonian
7 years ago

Once again, MRAs are busy digging! They will have tunneled straight through the center of the Earth at this rate.
I am only ever surprised when an MRA accidentally says something halfway decent.

Bob Goblin
Bob Goblin
7 years ago

This passage:
Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.

kind of implies that men are inherently rapey, and simply can’t control themselves when options are limited.

Wait, who are the misandrists, again?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Doc has one hell of an imagination.

WTF Price is garbage in human form.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them.

And let me call bullshit on this particular myth. Privileged men use their privilege to get away abusing women.

The only effect that the lack of class/race privilege is having right now for these men is that no one is going “But he’s such a respected/handsome/athletic/successful man – there’s no way he would do this”.

howardbann1ster
7 years ago

Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them.

And let me call bullshit on this particular myth. Privileged men use their privilege to get away abusing women.

Yeah. Privileged men are the least likely to get in trouble for abusing women. Witness Charlie Sheen. Witness Michael Fassbender. Sean Connery. Et. Fucking. Cetera.

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.

Ahh yes, the MRM, fighting for the rights of ALL men (i.e cis, white, hetero, wealthy, traditionally masculine and misogynistic). They would advocate for the rest of us, except we’re really weirdos, not men.

*I can’t even touch the other “arguments”, I’m fresh out the shower and don’t have the stomach to roll in that shit*

Alex
7 years ago

As a Cleveland resident and former classmate of one of these women this shit hit way too close to home. Seeing these dudes miss the fucking point so hard, going as far as to blame the women and question how ~legitimate~ the situation is because “there were no bars on the windows” and the “women were reported in good heath” (newsflash fucko: ever hear of fear? also by in good health they mean not dying). I hope they all choke on their fucking red pills or whatever.

ely
ely
7 years ago

Long time lurker here, finally coming out of the shadows to say…

WHAT?!? Grrrrr….just…I don’t even….honestly??? Blargh.

I just don’t have the words.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Privileged men use their privilege to get away abusing women.

And children and other men, of course.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Witness Charlie Sheen.

Who literally shot a girlfriend and brandished a knife at his wife but who only received any sort of outrage from the public when he acted out against the creator of the POS sitcom he was on. And who quickly got signed onto another POS television series after that.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

Then I finally watched this — I’ll post it as it’s pretty on topic and might be of interest to some people. Not saying I endorse each and every word. Of course, the comments sections are bogged down by masculists/mra-types. He is a man speaking to men, asking “what’s going on with the men,” but doesn’t sugarcoat how violent men are. I think his tactic, the ‘bystander approach,’ might be a well-packaged idea, though.

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@Bob

This passage:
Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.

kind of implies that men are inherently rapey, and simply can’t control themselves when options are limited.

Wait, who are the misandrists, again?

Yes, exactly. My father (and other MRAs) taught me this over and over – that all men are biologically programmed to need to rape (and sometimes kill) girls, just like they are biologically programmed to breathe air – it’s a necessity for life, and they’re like lions attacking baby gazelles – no one blames the lion, because it’s his biological need to attack and without that he would die, so no one should blame men, because it’s men’s biological need to attack or they will die.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

Disgusting. I am not sure how you’re handling reading this stuff, David. The suspect’s daughter is currently serving a 25-year term in prison for attempting to kill her 11-month-old daughter and then herself. The suspect’s ex-wife was repeatedly assaulted. MRAs are having a field day with this. Disgusting.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

My previous comment was meant to state that this guy has clearly been torturing women, women in his life, his own children, for years and years, and of course MRAs want to say that women compelled him (as Rahu said) to then….become a sadist?

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Roman Polanski is my personal “favorite” as far as scum and villainy goes. The amount of defense that wretch STILL gets horrifies me.

And what? The MRM is full of class and race bullshit? I AM SHOCKED. Nothing they have said have ever given me that implication whatsoever!

I’m glad that the women escaped, though.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Rahu

OMG, did they actually use the lion metaphor? My rapist totally used that one too! Something about his sex drive being like a lion needing to eat antelope or something.

What the hell, is there some Assholes’ Handbook they hand out?

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@LBT –

Yes, they all did use the lion metaphor – and several of them were ones who had never met the others, so I’ve come to think that it’s used among the group.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Meanwhile, in the real world, upper-class white men have historically seldom been held accountable for rape, and the Castros’ neighbors report that they appeared normal and friendly. And in the world of people who actually do something about the rights and status of marginalized men, the widespread racism and mockery directed at Charles Ramsey has become a focal point for discussion.

I guess now it needs to be called the Men’s Middle Or Upper Class Human Rights Movement (But Not Those Stinky Poor Men, They’re Evil), or MMOUCHRM(BNTSPMTE).

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@LBT –

The only differences I’ve noticed are the animals being attacked – some men will use gazelles, some will use antelopes (like with you – so sorry about that!!!!!) and some will use zebras. They seem to stick to just those three, though.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Rahu

It’s WEIRD, how they all choose the same predatory animal. You’d think one of them would choose, I dunno, a bear or a honey badger or something. But no, I guess it has to be the King of Animals.

Consider me learned; if anyone starts comparing themselves favorably to predators, I’ll take the hint and pull a Batman. *wait till they look the other way, then VANISH!*

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@LBT –

One thing about the Polanski support, though – there was a petition awhile ago – I don’t remember what it was exactly, but something about helping him out – like rescinding the arrest warrant or something, and there was a big uproar because a LOT of celebrities signed it (Kevin Smith wildly objected to the petition 🙂 ) but it came out later that the way some of the signers had been approached was when they were distracted, and they were asked “would you sign this petition in favor of artistic liberty?” – so he’s not quite as supported as it seems.

trtina
trtina
7 years ago

what? (squeak)

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@Tulgey Logger –

I like that there’s an “ouch” in the middle of your proposed new name for them. 🙂

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Haha, you’re right Rahu. And I didn’t notice. In fact, the whole thing reads like a transcript of what I say when I stub my toe. “MM OUCH! HRM BNT SPT MEEEE!”

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@LBT

Yeah, it’s always, ALWAYS a lion. I used to get so incredibly sick of that story – extremely mild interest in which prey animal this one would pick, but it was always the same otherwise.

I love your Batman idea!!! 🙂

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Rahu

Okay, that makes me feel a bit better. I definitely had a few, “Oh John Ringo NO!” moments back in the day. (Tilda Swinton! NO!)

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Rahu

Shows a bit of delusions of grandeur too, eh? They can’t just be a normal predator, they’ve got to be the KING of predators!

Rane
Rane
7 years ago

The king of the predators would probably be a shrew, they have to eat every two hours.

Karalora
Karalora
7 years ago

Possible comeback: “Or like a flea’s need to suck blood?”

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
7 years ago

I’ll be honest, “Fuck you, you man-hating arsehole” seems more appropriate to me.

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@LBT –

Yeah, I wouldn’t trust that anyone who signed that petition for Polanski wasn’t tricked into it.

And the “king of predators” – yes. Meekness and humility aren’t really their strong suits. (That’s the funny come-back. In reality, I think it’s a combination of them thinking how great they are, plus psychologically trying to destroy us and make us identify with the animal being attacked and killed – and thus incapable of getting away.)

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

I knew it! I fucking knew it! I came here just to see if there was some manosphere spin on how these kidnappings were somehow the fault of women. Despicable dickbags! Arrrrr!!!

And I am sick and tired of people (not just misogynists) questioning the actions, escape attempts, or otherwise having issues with how and when the victims got away or if they fought hard enough, blah fucking blah. Until you’re in that situation, you have nothing to say about what victims should and should not do.

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

Bahumbugi,

Love Jackson Katz! My hubby did violence prevention work with him. I saw him speak!

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

And I am sick and tired of people (not just misogynists) questioning the actions, escape attempts, or otherwise having issues with how and when the victims got away or if they fought hard enough, blah fucking blah.

QFT

The media is headlining on how the women were restrained with chains and ropes, as if they are defending the women not escaping earlier. WTF! I even had that sort of conversation with my mother, of all people, who would claim to be a feminist but was asking why 3 women couldn’t overpower their captor. I am filled with rage about this.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

And I am sick and tired of people (not just misogynists) questioning the actions, escape attempts, or otherwise having issues with how and when the victims got away or if they fought hard enough, blah fucking blah. Until you’re in that situation, you have nothing to say about what victims should and should not do.

And this just literally days after Elizabeth Smart explained how her repressive anti-sex upbringing affected how she responded to her own captivity and rape — she’d been told her whole life that a woman who has sex is ruined and used up, so there was no point in fighting at that point because she was worthless and it didn’t matter anymore, anyway.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Karalora and MorkaisChosen

Both of these are good responses.

RE: Rahu

Dunno about you, but I’ve never felt that much connection to deer or antelope. I’m more an octopus and turtle guy myself.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Emma Thompson, if I recall correctly, was one of the most prominent to say that she regretted signing the Polanski petition and to get her name taken off; she said both that she felt pressured to sign it, that she had never been told the actual nature of the charges against Polanski (how many here have seen it represented as statutory rape? Sometimes repeatedly in the face of links to the charges?).

theladyzombie
7 years ago

Whenever I see horrific reports about abuse like these kidnapping victims, I just know that the brilliant and oh-so-logical minds of the manosphere will spin it to attack feminism and women.

I’m never disappointed.

I used to be sardonically amused but now it just makes me angry and depressed.

Something awful happened to a woman or a group of women? Feminism’s* fault.

Something awful happened to a man or a group of men? Feminism’s* fault.

A woman does something awful to someone? Feminism’s* fault.

A man does something awful to someone? Feminism’s* fault because obviously women (at least Western women) drove him to it.

*you can also substitute women for feminism*

I hope the women who escaped don’t plumb the depths of the internet. The last thing they need to see is a bunch of women hating, victim blaming abusers gleefully prattle on about what happened to them.

I can’t even imagine what it must have been like for them.

Rachel89
Rachel89
7 years ago

These MRAs are real pieces of shit. They’ve sunk lower than a pile of shit.

Nitram
Nitram
7 years ago

Titianblue

“The media is headlining on how the women were restrained with chains and ropes, as if they are defending the women not escaping earlier. WTF! I even had that sort of conversation with my mother, of all people, who would claim to be a feminist but was asking why 3 women couldn’t overpower their captor. I am filled with rage about this”

Makes me rageful too. I think it’s innocent enough to not understand it or be able to comprehend it, but it needs to end there. Elizabeth smart was routinely taken out in public and never ran screaming for help. It’s a testament to the fear and terror they experience, not a lack of wanting to escape or being lazy about it it or whatever the fuck people are suggesting by having problems with the victims’ vigilance in escaping. Victim blaming just pervades everything!

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

Rahu: The one Pulanski supporter I know wasn’t tricked was Whoopi Goldberg, which really made me sad–I used to have a lot of respect for her, before she said that what Pulanski did (to a protesting, drugged, underage girl) was not “rape-rape”.

Funny thing is, i agree, Pulanski’s a great artist. This is not a moral judgement; artistic vision and human decency are mapped along completely different axes. And great artists can make great art in any circumstance, so let him do the prison time he deserves and we can see what he makes of that; it would likely be brilliant.

Shaenon
7 years ago

It’s WEIRD, how they all choose the same predatory animal.

And it’s a predatory animal in which the females are the vicious hunters. But I guess “I’m just like a mighty lion” sounds better in their heads than “I’m just like a mangy jackal.” Or, for that matter, “I’m actually a rapist.”

I’m focusing on this because the original post is too horrible.

hfoded
7 years ago

De-lurking

@Nitram

“I came here just to see if there was some manosphere spin on how these kidnappings were somehow the fault of women. Despicable dickbags! Arrrrr!!!”

Same thing that I did. They (MRA’s) are so predictable

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
7 years ago

Wonder how many rapists laze around and expect women to prepare their food for them.

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