This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
And I’ll admit that my jail sentencing example was a bit extreme, and I didn’t know what I was thinking last night. So sorry if I went too far with that. However, if the degree of fraud is really really bad, then I don’t think why prison sentencing shouldn’t be a consideration (I’m thinking of a few months)
Bullfuckingshit. Said like someone with ALL the dudely privilege. If you’re a woman who doesn’t want children, you are looked on as some sort of freak. No one gives dudes nearly the raft of shit that a woman will get. Nice try.
Jailing people for a non-issue is a horrible misuse of state funds, that’s why. Damn, you’re dim.
Oh, BreadMold’s about to start up the “paper abortion” wank. In B4 THAT mess.
Yep, I’m a childfree male in this society.
I know childfree women.
I’m a swinging bachelor, living the life, envied by all.
No, seriously, people think my life is FUCKING AWESOME.
The childfree women I know?
EVERY FUCKING TIME I SEE THEM somebody is getting up in their grill about their choices and their life. (that may be an exageration, but only slightly)
EVERY TIME.
Tell me again how much harder it is.
MRM is disgusted and outraged by a FAKE article purporting to claim that feminists are in favor of cheating men out of their money through paternity “fraud.”
Meanwhile in Cleveland, three men have kidnapped, tortured and raped (at least) three teenage girls for the past decade, brutally beating them every time they got pregnant in order to induce miscarriage.
Keep ignoring real brutality in order to convince yourselves that you’re so oppressed in modern society, assholes.
“Bullfuckingshit. Said like someone with ALL the dudely privilege. If you’re a woman who doesn’t want children, you are looked on as some sort of freak. No one gives dudes nearly the raft of shit that a woman will get. Nice try.”
I am hellkell and I am always right. Let me beat my chest and use foul language to show you how much I am right.
Yes, obviously women face a lot more social stigmas I’m not denying that, but they can be overcome, whereas the biological obstacles that men face cannot be overcome. I’m NOT saying that the social stigmas of childless women should be ignored; all I’m saying is that if we live in a society where those kind of stigmas don’t exist anymore, then you only have the biological obstacles.
“Jailing people for a non-issue is a horrible misuse of state funds, that’s why. Damn, you’re dim.”
There you said it – non-issue!
God forbid one day that you have to spend 18+ years of your life unwillingly being forced to be a parent of a child that isn’t yours. In fact, you may even enjoy it!
“Oh, BreadMold’s about to start up the “paper abortion” wank. In B4 THAT mess.”
I don’t agree with paper abortions, but how nice of you to make a complete ass out of yourself by blatantly putting words into my mouth and setting up arguments for me.
Complete and utter bullshit. Childless men aren’t told that they are not men, that they’ve subverted their very nature. Childless women are, and routinely.
What about the biological barriers that I outlined? Show that you are unbiased and care about two sides of the issue by telling me what you think of those biological barriers that hinder men from being childless.
“All men have are the condom,”
How do you live on a planet where being in a consensual, trusting relationship is not an option? My sexual partners and me are PARTNERS, we communicate beforehand whether we intend to procreate or not, and then we, TOGETHER, communicate how to forestall procreation.
I don’t want to sound harsh, but “All men have are the condom” feels a bit like rape logic, where you impose your sexual needs on another person, whether through violence, persuasion, alcohol and whatnot.
I don’t understand you. Surely you’re not advocating rape – but everything else is based on communication. I always thought that all the means of contraception are a big pool of options, and my female partners have the most say in this because options for women are frequently invasive and difficult to use.
Am I wrong?
Oh, you’re one of those idiots who think that because you don’t use “foul language,” your points are somehow more valid. Fuck off.
I’m not always right, but I’m more right than you.
You’re also a fart who thinks there’s two sides to everything. Protip: there isn’t. Why should I care about the other side when it’s demonstrably wrong?
And yes I take back what I said about how it’s harder for men to be childless in this society because apparently it’s such a huge insult to you all to even mention once about how men have it harder in certain things. So I’ll change it to the following:
“It’s hard for men and women to be childless in this society, but in different ways.”
There, happy?
I have a statistically better chance of winning the lottery than ever getting pregnant.
…no, it’s just not true, that’s all.
I mean, seriously? Name. ONE.
Name one area where men are disadvantaged over women.
Oh, boo-hoo. When you are systemically disadvantaged for millenia, get back to me. Until then, STFU.
Howard: they can’t have babies! It’s harder to be childless! Really!
“Oh, you’re one of those idiots who think that because you don’t use “foul language,” your points are somehow more valid. Fuck off.
I’m not always right, but I’m more right than you.”
“You’re also a fart who thinks there’s two sides to everything. Protip: there isn’t. Why should I care about the other side when it’s demonstrably wrong?”
Wow. Not only are you openly proud of the fact that you like to spew insults out like a toddler, but you think you could use your pottymouth to justify opinions that you don’t even bother to explain. I asked what’s wrong with my biological barriers example that hinder men, and all you respond with is “LOLOL you’re a fart”.
You know what: for the sake of my sanity, I’ll stop arguing with you. Though I would still love to continue to see what more creative insults you could come up with. You might want to ask my 7 year old brother – he learns new insults everyday 😉
(oh and I love my 7 year old brother. Such a sweetheart he is <3)
Dude, the point is, your biological barriers are bullshit. Men can get vasectomies a fuck of a lot easier than I could get a tubal.
You argue like a toddler who got into the whiskey.
“Name one area where men are disadvantaged over women.”
Conscription (not in Canada; overseas)
Titanic incident
Driver’s license payment
Divorce payment
Paternity fraud
Suicides
Though to be fair all of those issues are caused by men themselves. But that’s the problem – society tends to overlook the key idea that patriarchy is also oppressive against men.
All Moldybread has is a tone argument, a true sign of a troll with nothing substantive.
NO.
Conscription values men over women. Conscription means men in a warzone get guns, while women do not. Do you know what happens to women in a warzone?
Conscription means men are treated as the defenders of the realm, which is considered an honor.
Oh, right, women and children first.
Which is built on the idea that men can save themselves because women are children.
And in a system where women are infantilized, men are systematically advantaged.
Again, no.
I am unaware of any gendered way this is out of balance. Could you elucidate?
…NO. Alimony calculations only seem tilted because of the way marriages are arranged to benefit the man. They are gender neutral by design. Read up on them.
…which we all know is a huge issue? No.
…and women attempt suicide at greater rates than men. Seriously?
Your list of ways men are systematically disadvantaged is areally a list of ways men are systematically advantaged.
I suggest you dig deeper into all of these issues.
Oh, and bringing up the Titanic is also a sure sign of troll fail.
DL payments? that a new one, in States, everyone pays the same to get a DL. Insurance is another matter, but men, especially young ones, are statistically more likely to drive recklessly and get into accidents.
The draft is a thing like misandry that won’t be happening any time soon.
Suicides: men are more likely to use methods that work, like guns or hanging. Would you like women to change M.O.s to be all equal and shit?
Divorce payment: alimony is increasingly rare since more women work. Are you talking child support? No one gets rich off that shit, suck it up.
False paternity: not a thing to worry yourself over. Your personality would seem to be excellent BC on its own.