This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
If you’re already willing to pay $550 to do a paternity test that’s legal in court, then you can do so. The problem here is that you want to force everyone else to get paternity tests.
Again, that was 30% of cases where the dad had doubts about paternity and wanted a test had the wrong father named. Argenti already did the numbers to show that among the entire population, that is probably less than 5%.
Seriously, the longer I think about this, the more boggled I become. Aside from things like incest and such (oh god, I hate that this is automatically the stuff my brain goes to)… I would SO not want people running DNA tests on me without my consent. I’m trans; that test immediately outs me!
On top of that, no really, some people honestly do not want to know. Fathers, children, mothers, they don’t CARE. Paternity tests can already just get bought; you don’t need to FORCIBLY MANDATE them.
Joe, I get the feeling that this is a deeply personal issue with you… but you are really losing all sense of perspective here.
Didn’t we go through this all with that other asshat? I mean every. single. point. being made has been made before. We’ve gone over the costs of mandatory paternity testing, the margin of error and debunked the 30% statistic.
What the hell else is there to say?
There’s nothing wrong with paternity testing.
There’s no reason for it to be mandatory.
If you want your children tested for paternity, go for it.
That’s all I got.
‘The Congressional advocate today presented advocacy for the constitutionality of the Cuckold Bill to the Supreme Court. “You see,” said the advocate, “it’s not really a big deal if we break the Constitution just this once, amirite?”‘
You do realize that absolutely nothing is preventing fathers from paying for paternity tests, right?
@Ugh – does the principle of bioethics apply to having your fingerprints taken? Because that’s what = DNA testing.
Anyhow.
1) Successive govt’s including the incumbent have wiped their arse on your constitution. It’s basically ignored by your executive branch for ooooh, pretty much all the big stuff (war, money creation, torture, arrests, house raids) and I don’t hear a peep out of you about any of that. So I doubt your sincerity on this point.
2) We don’t have this Constitution in the UK, so that’s not an issue for me to deal with.
“Further, Congress presented arguments that, despite the longstanding classification of paternity tests as a medical procedure, it isn’t on account of a British conspiracy theorists. Furthermore, it is moved that Gloria Steinem be posthumously arrested on charges of being a C1A plant trying to weaken America for a Soviet bankster conspiracy.”
“You do realize that absolutely nothing is preventing fathers from paying for paternity tests, right?”
You do realise that a) I just said that – in the quote you quoted. and b) that’s besides the point of the discussion.
@Ugh – if paternity tests ahve been classified as a medical procedure (which is laughable) I’d suggest that’s exactly because whoever pushed for that to happen did so knowing that the restrictions around medical procedures would make it harder for men to get those tests done so as to be admissible in court.
Um no, by that logic any collection and medical analysis of your bodily substances would also be fingerprinting. Is urine and blood testing like having your fingerprints taken?
Also, guess what, every government classifies it as a medical procedure.
Also, you never answered, what happens if parents don’t bring their kids in to clinics? Do police come and forcibly carry the child to the clinic?
Right I’ve got work to do. Enough of this. Bye.
In your mind, would it be legal for the government to collect your piss and test it for drugs?
But the conspiracies are just getting started. Try to tie in this theory of awful misandrists thinking that the government might need your consent to test the chemical composition of your bodily substances, with the Femimarxist C1A Muslim world banker conspiracy!
Um, a) exactly, dumbass.
And b) if men already have the ability to pay for paternity tests then what the fuck are you whining about? Why does it need to be mandatory/compulsory if men can already choose to do it and pay for it?
First joe:
” In such a utopia there would be no-one to force men into supporting any child, men would grant their support freely as a gift – or not, as they chose.”
Tell me how this is fair. I know all the scenarios in your head consist of hypergamous women kicking husbands to the curb and then forcing him to pay child support (for a kid that may not be his), but there are far more, and common, scenarios you are not considering:
1) husband divorces wife, leaves her to raise kid(s) alone. In your “utopia” he only has to support his child financially if he feels like it?
2) mutually ending relationship. Again, he only has to support his child financially if he feels like it?
3) whoever ends it, husband gets sole custody. Should the ex wife have the same freedom? Only support child if she wishes?
What if you were the child in that family? I mean really, you really think it should be up to the father, whether or not he “wishes”to grant financial support? Why is the burden completely in the mother?
Oh thank GOD, he’s GONE. Let’s talk about shit WE want to talk about now.
I might be collaborating with a therapist on doing an article on multiplicity for mental health pros! 😀
LBT, that’s excellent! Congrats.
Wait. Ok. Here’s the plan.
1) Automatic Paternity Testing provided at birth, UNLESS the assumed father chooses, himself, in a PRIVATE 1-on-1 consultation (mother not allowed, to reduce chance for emotional blackmail, also to reduce offence taken and disruption of relationships) with the testing doc that he doesn’t want to proceed with the test. i.e. Auto-Paternity-Testing-with-Opt-Out available.
His Right to Know (or Not Know).
2) No requirement for the mother’s permission to have the DNA sample taken from the child. Only the assumed father’s permission is required. (Until he is proven not-father and takes the choice to renounce that role, his status as assumed-father must be held legally equivalent to the mother’s re: parental permission for testing. i.e. only his permission is needed.)
There. Existing bioethics frameworks intact. Opt out available for any reason including religious superstition.
Winning!
@Nitram – Utopia. It does not exist. No need to discuss the fairness or otherwise of non-existent state.
OMG, Pecunium is the Other* Mr 90% of the MRM!
*Why shouldn’t they have two Mr 90%s? Maths isn’t their strong point.
Now I’m away. Carry on.
Bye, Joe. Don’t bother coming back.
I wish there were a blog Valtrex. We’re having a Joe flare-up.
Congratulations, LBT.
Joe, you dumb fuck, men can have their children tested for paternity without the mother’s knowledge or even permission right fucking now.
Why does that government need to be involved?
Never mind. You’re an imbecile.
I’m off to catch up on other threads.
So, in Option 1 we have fathers able to get a paternity test if desired. In Option 2, we are forcing everyone to get paternity tests no matter what just so that… some fathers are able to get a paternity test if desired.
In other news, all women will be forced to get abortions, as that’s the only way to make abortion available to anyone. All citizens will be forced to vote to preserve the right to vote, and all couples will be forced to marry in order to keep their right to marry. This is not ridiculous at all.
LBT, how cool. Sending sun-dried tomatoes. Also sending free, forced paternity tests to any manboobzers who want them or who don’t want them, because forced medical testing is the soul of libertarianism apparently! Yonkers! The C1A took my baby away, wasn’t that a Ramones song? (Google says it was the KKK, darn it, that was just so perfect for Joe1.)
Okay, back to vacation mode. Carry on. 😉
So, a paternity test is done at birth. dude finds out he’s not the biological father and decides it doesn’t mean shit to him and he wants to be the father anyway, How does the child know that this man is not his bio father? Are we also going to have mandatory disclosure to children that an adoptive father is not their bio father? At what age is this supposed to happen? So many questions, so little bullshit to answer them!!