This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
Imagine someone with one computer plugging it into the ethernet, commenting with one name, unplugging and joining a different wireless network, commenting with a different name, and going back and forth like that for every comment.
That’s got to be at least as entertaining, right?
“But if you want us to agree that using the child as a weapon is ok”
I never said anything even remotely like that. wtf?
” or that feminists in some way are trying to ensure that hapless men have to raise any child forced upon them by a woman, you are ridiculous.”
You need to read more court cases.
Hey Joe, I could theoretically suffer from this “crime” (how is it a crime exactly?) and I really don’t give a shit either.
Cite one court case in which a feminist organization attempted to force a man to raise a child that was not his.
@inurashii –
“Also, this is even more laughable when I consider: I’m poly. The partner with whom I am likely to get married may someday get pregnant by someone else and keep the child. You bet your life I will help raise that child, regardless of what role the bio-father chooses to take, because I am a good partner and I will be a good parent.”
Which would be YOUR fully informed CHOICE. DUH.
I give no fucks about this issue. Primarily because Joe is making yet another mountain out of a molehill.
Also, Joe, I don’t think you;ve given a clear answer on this, do you think that the reason most men love their children is because they carry similar genes?
Because that’s some misandrist bullshit.
FTFY.
And then she discovered that the joey that she had been carrying in her pouch for three months WASN’T HERS!
MISANDRY!!! MARSUPIAL PATERNITY FRAUD! ELEVENTY!
It’s such a shame that family courts are controlled by the C1A, agents of the Femisovietomarxist banker conspiracy.
The more manboobzers argue against Paternity Testing the more I am convinced that it’s essential that mandatory testing be put into place.
That so many of you are against it, and that so many of you want cuckolded men to be forced into raising kids that are not their own, if not by law then through enforced ignorance, emotional blackmail and society-wide man-shaming, makes that crystal fucking clear.
No, it’s not bullshit. It would be just as terrible for the wife to find out her husband had a baby with another woman. Then, some of their family money would have to go to child support for his new baby. So yes, some of her hard earned money would be going to a child that is not hers. Their children would also find out they have a half sibling and might worry that they have to compete for their father’s love, time, and attention with his secret family. While all of this is terrible, it doesn’t change the fact that the new baby is not to blame for zir parents’ being lying cheaters, and the baby would still deserve time, love, and care from them.
Speaking for me personally, I’m against it because it’s degrading for the whole family. I trust my partner and it would be some serious bullshit to have the government mandate a DNA test if we have any kids.
Really, Joe, for a libertarian, you seem hell-bent on degrading and unneccessary extensions of government power.
Nice hyberbole, there, laddie.
“I’m opposed to big government, unless that government is conducting mandatory blood tests on all families in the attempt to prevent a rare non-criminal situation from occurring.”
RE: inurashii
I like how he just ignores your own relationship situation. And since, you know, I got Sneak and Gigs that I try to care for as best I can, I don’t understand the horror of raising someone else’s kid. Like, the cheating and lying sucks–but it’s not the KID’S fault. Kid’s gotta get taken care of! It’s like that old comic I saw about global warming, only it’s, “Shit, I loved and cared for this child FOR NOTHING!”
Just to break Joe’s brain: what if parents decide they don’t want to medically consent for their children to have these tests?
What’s more important: the right of parents to choose the medical procedures of their children, or the government’s prerogative to log everyone’s DNA in accordance with the ridiculous talking points of a rape apologist movement?
Just to clarify for the hard of understanding (looking at you, Joe) arguing against a mandatory paternity test for every baby and suggesting that men who find out, after 18 years, that the child they raised was not biologically their own might still love that child =/= ‘forcing cuckolded men to raise kids that are not their own”
Wait… if paternity tests are not mandatory, then that forces men to be parents to children that aren’t theirs against their will? If they are concerned why don’t they just…
get a paternity test?
I don’t understand this problem… maybe I should read more of the thread.
Kirby: there is no problem, except the one in Joe’s head.
Man, I’m a sick, cynical man. My first thought with mandatory paternity testing was, “Hoo damn, they’re going to be discovering a LOT of incest…” But that just shows more about the people I know and my family than humans on the whole.
@kirbywarp
I think the part you’re missing is that the Muslim Femimarxist Banker conspiracy somehow is forcing men to choose to stay married to women who they suspect are cheating, and also somehow is preventing men who do stay in their children’s lives from having any ability to ask their child to get a cheek swab.
@Ugh – “Also, Joe, I don’t think you;ve given a clear answer on this, do you think that the reason most men love their children is because they carry similar genes?”
1 – another red fucking herring. For fuck’s sake.
The physiology / psychology of parental love is not relevant to a discussion about the RIGHT of men to KNOW for certain that they are the actual bio-fathers of children they are being led to believe are their bio-children. Which assertion leads to a lifetime of love, time, effort and money investment.
The RIGHT to INFORMED CONSENSUAL CHOICE in life-changing decisions is not negotiable depending on whether or not, you Ugh, think my or anyone else’s reasons or feelings for making the choices we choose are acceptable to you.
Because it’s not your fucking place to decide that men would be somehow better off kept in ignorance. That’s not your choice to make for anyone else.
2 – Apparently you’re completely unaware of the biological, hormonal / pheromonal aspects of the emotional bonding process that takes place between parents and their kids.
This affects mothers and fathers both.
Try reading some science instead of social justice horseshit.
Of course, people can and do grow to love their adopted kids too, again – irrelevant to the issue of INFORMED consent.