This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
@hellkell – the DNA doesn’t lie. 30% – that’s the stat. That’s REALITY. Deal with it.
From where, your ass?
@hellkell – it’s crystal clear that whatever issue under discussion you couldn’t give a flying fuck about men.
I sincerely hope that there are no men, and especially no male children in your life who might find themselves suffering from your contempt and disregard.
What in the everloving fuck did I just read?
What happened here?
Like, I get that Catwoman and Breadmold are probably the same person, and definitely lying, but topic wise, wtf?
Cheating is bad, lying is bad (didn’t one of them even say that?!), intentionally tricking someone into raising a kid that isn’t theirs, also bad. But arresting them for fraud? Getting retroactive child support for raising a kid they were happy raising until they found out? Dafuq?
And here, so many pages ago, I was thinking that tweaking mandatory DNA testing for paternity to genetic screening might be a good idea. Maybe optional, but covered by insurance and free for those without insurance. Because knowing future health risks that can be determined that way would be good. And for recessive things, you might not know you have the gene to think about getting the test // watch for symptoms.
That’s got fuck all to do with paternity though. And “paternity fraud” hurts my head.
Seem one more versed in legalese help me out here. When parents divorce and there’s a child support order, isn’t the person paying the one that was raising the kid because it’s about maintaining the standard of living? And if the not-father had been raising the kid, that would be him?
But a bio father not listed on the birth cert. is assumed to have severed parental rights? So if they start paying cld support, they get visitation and all that too (that one seems a no brainer)…except they may’ve never met the kids.
Even from a devils advocate purely legal standpoint, how’s this supposed to work?!
…from my quick googling it looks like it’s a major headache, but fathers can voluntarily sever parental rights. And this all looks a lot like the much touted “paper abortion” — but I’m seeing cases where the mother wanted it. Didn’t want child support, not giving custody to another father, want default legal guardian (in case she dies) to be a friend // other family, shit like that.
So not just some “he signs a piece of paper”, but possible.
In before MRAs scream about how she still has all the control.
@joe That’s the reality where men suspected that the child was not their own. It is not the reality in the general population! Learn maths. Maths is your friend.
I’ll make sure to tell Mr. HK that some gaping asshole on the internet sends condolences.
Gimme the link if you’re so right.
@inurashii – here’s what you owe me.
Take 5minutes and try to imagine the anguish a man suffers when he finds his partner has cheated and lied to him, and that he’s been trapped into pouring all his life and love into a that lie.
Seriously, try to fucking imagine dealing with that breathtaking level of betrayal.
The fact that you never talk about the feelings of the children involved is so, so telling.
It’s all about what men are owed. Never mind that the man had many, many years to help shape a young mind, to impart his values, to be considered a real father. Never mind the rewarding process of building a family.
No, it’s all about who fucked whom. It’s all about the pain of getting cheated on. Never mind the kids.
You are disgusting.
30% has been repeatedly found to be the stat in a number of studies. A quick google:
Ugh, can’t cut and paste because pop-up.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/02/34861/
“Year after year the American Association of Blood Banks reports that about 30% of paternity test results were negative, almost one out of three!”
http://www.paternityfrauddna.com/faq/
World News Daily? Fuck, just use the Daily Mail.
I never said it was no big deal. I’m just saying it’s not a crime. Adultery is not a crime in the US, or the UK. Deception and adultery are really shitty things to do, but not all shitty actions merit incarceration.
Yes, hospitals do a better job making sure the right babies go with the right parents nowadays. They gave both me and my husband bracelets that matched our kids’ bracelets to make sure only we could take them out of the nursery. See, they do this service for both parents.
Good lord, if you want a paternity test, just get one. I already showed how to buy one at walmart.com. I promise not to man-shame you for it, because it is none of my business.
Actually, yes it does have something to do with it. The equivalent of a woman cheating on a man and getting pregnant with another man’s baby is for a man to cheat on a woman and impregnate his mistress. So if you want to outlaw one, then you ought to outlaw the other. That’s not a red herring.
This is true. Because I have a uterus, I can be assured my kids are my own. Dads and non binaries with uteruses also have this certainty. I can’t do anything about this, though, because that’s how nature / deity of your choice made it. I’m annoyed that menstruation hurts, but I don’t consider it a problem for MRA’s to fix. So why should feminists be blamed that cis men don’t get pregnant?
Hey man, World New Daily totally proved BatBoy’s existence! They are a completely reliable source!
(not really)
Oh man, I missed out (I’m still at work, posting from my phone: thank goodness for bluetooth keyboards),
I will point out that Moldy changed his tune. The man used to be the evil part; what with abanodoning the kid, and his repsonibilities and all; then it was, What about the Fraud she committed, why aren’t you talking about that?”. There was also the bizarre idea that the guy was, “paying her” for the kid.
What sort of relationship is that? “I see it’s the first of the month dear, here is the $400 for food for the children. I see they need new shoes, so here is $200 to cover that.”
No. That’s not how it works.
@inurashii – Fuck you. I did talk about the kid’s side of things in the post above – you just didn’t read it.
I don’t need to cover it in any depth, because the emotional need for kids to find their bio-parent has been well established and is common knowledge to anyone not living under a rock.
Go watch any number of documentaries made about the emotional turmoil adopted kids go through trying to find their bio-parents, you obtuse moron.
Yes, I talk about the man’s POV, because that is routinely shouted down and supressed by Team Woman with a cacophony of man-shaming and femsplaining (which you just engaged in) – the man’s POV about fathering kids is the POV most suppressed in our society.
Here’s one extreme example; foul and unspeakable child abuser and now multiple murderer Melanie Smith* actually suceeded in overturning the custody judgement that had awarded custody to her ex-partner (who had tried to protect his children from being beaten, burned and scalded by her) – she then put them into foster care and the father had to fight for custody again.
That’s right, Secret Family Kangaroo Court is so biased to a mother’s POV / against the father, that someone who fucking TORTURED her kids was able to regain custody.
(*she burned an entire family to death – a mother, her kids and her partner – and just got sentenced to life in jail)
http://www.capitalbay.com/uk/337954-melanie-smith-kids-who-escaped-life-of-torture-with-killer-brand-their-mum-britain-s-most-evil-woman.html
“Three children who escaped a life of torture with arsonist and killer Melanie Smith have branded their mother the most evil woman in Britain.
In a raw and emotional interview Lisa, Charlotte and Jonathon reveal the horrors they suffered at the hands of wicked Smith, who was last week convicted of burning five people to death after a petty row.
Sitting with the dad who saved them, the trio reveal how twisted mother-of-five Smith burned them with cigarettes, poured boiling water over them and hacked off their hair for “making too much noise”.
Speaking out for the first time Charlotte, now 23, says: “We all wish she was dead. Knowing that the evil woman who killed that poor family is our mother is almost impossible to bear. Dad rescued us from hell. He’s brought us all up without her but now she’s back in our lives in the most horrific way imaginable. She’s been dead to us since we were tiny. Now I just want her to rot in hell.””
Brz: I wasn’t complimenting you. I was pointing out that, as per norm, you lost your accent when the subject got complicated; and you showed a charming cognizance of how things work in the US.
Again (as when you melted down at Argenti) your mask slipping.
You are no grenouille.
@Joe What is it you want here?
For us to agree that the betrayal of finding that your life partner was not the person that you thought they were, that they had lied to you, must be agony? We’re all agreed.
That finding out that the child you thought was biologically yours and that you loved and nurtured was not, must be painful, confusing and difficult to deal with? I think we’re all agreed there, too.
That it is natural in the first moments of discovery to want to lash out at the person who has hurt you? Yep, only human.
But if you want us to agree that using the child as a weapon is ok or that feminists in some way are trying to ensure that hapless men have to raise any child forced upon them by a woman, you are ridiculous.
For the millionth time, that 30% stat was only about cases where the dads had doubts about the paternity. That stat would not apply to all parents.
I am sorry, titianblue, for almost copying what you already wrote but for some reason, the first joe is not acknowledging this. Argh, this is frustrating!
Also, this is even more laughable when I consider: I’m poly. The partner with whom I am likely to get married may someday get pregnant by someone else and keep the child. You bet your life I will help raise that child, regardless of what role the bio-father chooses to take, because I am a good partner and I will be a good parent.
Do lies hurt? Absolutely. Would it be terrible to realize that you were cheated on? Yes. Does that mean that the blood, sweat and tears you put into your family went into a lie?
No, you scumbag, they went into a child.
And now, my lunch concluded, I return to work. Sorry I missed the fun,
“Actually, yes it does have something to do with it. The equivalent of a woman cheating on a man and getting pregnant with another man’s baby is for a man to cheat on a woman and impregnate his mistress. So if you want to outlaw one, then you ought to outlaw the other. That’s not a red herring. ”
Fuck NO! Total BULLSHIT! If a man impregnates his mistress, that man’s wife will CANNOT ever be decieved into thinking that the child is hers and into investing all her love, time, effort and money into bringing that child up, all while labouring under a LIE!
These two things are not even remotely the same.
LOL at Secret Family Kangaroo Court. Spoken like a true conspiracy-driven wingnut.
Ugh, you bring nothing to the table. Your considerations for the child’s feelings only matter insofar as you can weaponize them, and you seek out shitty research that supports your confirmation bias.
Take your genealogy fetish somewhere else; you’re accomplishing nothing here.
Also, fuck you too. I pity any children you one day sire.
How fucked up does your worldview have to be to think that loving and caring for a child would only be worthwhile if that child carried your genes forward?
“This is true. Because I have a uterus, I can be assured my kids are my own. Dads and non binaries with uteruses also have this certainty. I can’t do anything about this, though, because that’s how nature / deity of your choice made it. I’m annoyed that menstruation hurts, but I don’t consider it a problem for MRA’s to fix. So why should feminists be blamed that cis men don’t get pregnant?”
Again! with the Red Herrings!
Just keep on shifting the goalposts and throwing out distracting smokescreens.
The point is: You cannot suffer from this crime – only men can – so, you don’t give a shit.
Therefore: Fuck off.
Also, I’m actually getting annoyed at this wanker, so this is where I bow out of this thread. See y’all on the other ones.