This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
Huh? So the feminist movement is a hate movement now???
I don’t think so. I think YOU GUYS are the ones spreading the hate.
“Um, obv patriarchy harms men too, but it is primarily designed to harm women. For example, saying that men are sex beasts is harmful, but not anywhere nearly as harmful as raping women.
Being primarily concerned with the effects on men is like saying that the primary problem of literacy tests in the South was that they prevented some white people from voting.”
Saying that men are sex beasts promotes the patriarchal gender construct that men should be the “sex seekers” and women should be the “sex doers”. It pigeonholes both genders into narrow categories. It doesn’t matter which is worse, as both are bad, and I’m not interested in childish pissing contests.
Moldy:
Sometimes. If you scroll up (and go back a page) you will see other ways in which I talk.
I could, I supppose, have taken the effort to (again) catalogue your failings in respect to how you fail to ascribe the same moral grace and rectititude to women as you assume exists with men, that you infantalise them my moving the goalposts from, “raped but didn’t talk about it, and so cuckolded her partner”, to, “was preyed on by a man who abandoned his responsibility and forced her to cuckold her partner”, to your the reactionary moralising of your slut-shaming disgust that women might want to have sex with, “random” men.
But I was pressed for time, and previous iterations of making a careful refutation of the drivel you presented in lieu of reasoned argument had failed.
This seemed more likely to penetrate the pretrified ossium of your thickeheaded skull.
And it did.
So yes, sometimes (as need dictates) feminists talk like that.
You misogynistic douchenozzle.
No one ever said men were sex beasts, except you, and your whole career here thus far has been a giant pissing contest.
^^directed at Ugh
@breadmold
One thing about people like this, is that (on both sides) they care more about showing themselves as victim than to actually look at the whole issue and how to change it. MRA does nothing but cry how mean women are . The hive over here is just to make sure nobody believes that men have problems too based on patriarchy that can be fixed
Hellkell: “No one ever said men were sex beasts, except you, and your whole career here thus far has been a giant pissing contest.”
Patriarchy has, but I doubt you even know what patriarchy is, since you’re just another clueless braindead idiot.
Hey, Hellkell, speaking of which, there is another group of people who don’t know what patriarchy means – the MRA’s. Seriously, have a chat with them. Considering that you’re just as clueless as they are, they would love to have you as company. 🙂
*clears throat*
*begins to channel moldy*
Is this how all of you talk? Shameful, shameful. You are fighting like a toddler having a tantrum. Calling hellkell a braindead idiot! Shame, shame.
@Catwoman I would love to see an argument between Alex Brown (the MRA) and Hellkell one day. That’ll be like… the perfect example of an exothermic force that I’ve always been dying to see one day.
Yeah, right, Moldy. I don’t know what patriarchy is. Sure.
“*clears throat*
*begins to channel moldy*
Is this how all of you talk? Shameful, shameful. You are fighting like a toddler having a tantrum. Calling hellkell a braindead idiot! Shame, shame.”
Hey, all I’m doing is fitting in with the crowd! If other people are throwing insults left and right like a toddler, why shouldn’t I?
Isn’t that what I learned from these uh… “feminists”? That you have to agree with everything they say and do everything they do to not be labelled as an MRA?
So the reason why I’m “fighting like a toddler” is so that I wouldn’t be labelled as an MRA. 🙂
Moldy: Sorry, the 30 percent was Uncle Joe
You just said it was such a big risk we had to assume every woman might be “tricking” men into rearing other mens’ children.
Actually, on balance, I have to say that The First Joe is looking better than you are on that score.
“@Catwoman I would love to see an argument between Alex Brown (the MRA) and Hellkell one day. That’ll be like… the perfect example of an exothermic force that I’ve always been dying to see one day.”
lol, yeah just grab popcorn and watch to idiots battle each other. we should link him here, he likes to discuss such topics anyways.
No response from Fade, i see her solution was exactly what I thought it would be, haha.
Um, it matters when assholes like you somehow think that stereotypes are worse than ACTUAL RAPE.
Saying that patriarchy discriminates more against women than against men isn’t a pissing contest, it’s a statement of basic objective fact.
@Breadmold
This is my problem with your argument: you keep saying the child isn’t “his”, implying that he wouldn’t have loved the child if he’d known; that it’s genetic similarity, not love or assuming the role of parent, that men care about. Do you know what you just said to all the adopters and adoptees reading this? Are you one of those people who tells adoptive parents that Susie isn’t their “real” daughter, who asks adoptees who their “real” parents are?
I guess I just can’t imagine dividing children into “mine” and “not mine” based on genes alone – especially after 18 years of raising and loving those children – so your scenario where a man throws his hands up and walks away because it turns out the child doesn’t share his genes just doesn’t ring true to me. Is this a thing that men actually do?
Stereotypes are worse than actual rape. They cause rape and victim blaming at the end.
One of the factors that make one suffer from rape are based on stereotypes themselves
I’ma gonna leave that there.
Please elaborate on this MRA talking point, it’s always interesting to see misogyny get aired out.
What the actual fuck? This may be the dumbest thing ever said.
How on earth did you conclude this?
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OMG, yeah, those guys, so bad for men, amiright?
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“Um, it matters when assholes like you somehow think that stereotypes are worse than ACTUAL RAPE.
Saying that patriarchy discriminates more against women than against men isn’t a pissing contest, it’s a statement of basic objective fact.”
Yes actual rape sucks thank you very much, but we have to ask why rape occurs and what’s stopping women from being able to access help. Specifically, what is the role that systemic patriarchy dictates that prevent these women from getting help?
Hint: it’s because of how patriarchy paints men and women, making the negative portrayal of men to be seen as “superior” and negative portrayal of women seen as “inferior”.
I’m gonna go ahead and predict that we’re about to witness a 500 word essay on how rape wouldn’t be that bad if we weren’t all socialized to think that rape is a bad thing.
Citations, please.
And your takeaway from a culture that paints men as superior and women as inferior is
Hint: it’s because of how patriarchy paints men and women, making the negative portrayal of men to be seen as “superior” and negative portrayal of women seen as “inferior”.
This is the most coherent thing you’ve said in pages, and I still can’t figure out what the fuck it even means.
Catwoman and/or breadmold, can you explain your relationship to one another?
Hellkell: “What the actual fuck? This may be the dumbest thing ever said.
How on earth did you conclude this?”
I highly suggest you to go join MRA right now. There’s only one group of people in the world that’s just as clueless as you morons are, and both you and the MRA’s have one thing in common – that you both have a halfassed understanding of patriarchy. Go make friends with them. Idiots and freaks like you can dance around in public saying all you want about how your own gender is the only oppressed people on this planet.