This just in: Men’s Rights Activists are some of the most gullible nincompoops in the history of ever.
The latest evidence of this? The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit were fooled by an obviously fake “screenshot” of an article from Jezebel that had been altered to make it look like a Jezebel staff writer thinks that paternity fraud is justifiable as a way to fight patriarchy.
No, seriously, the Reddit MRAs actually thought that Anna North of Jezebel had written that “the ability to lie about your children’s parentage is one way to break the rule of fathers.”
Here’s the “screenshot.” And here’s the original thread, which has been deleted from the Men’s Rights subreddit but which is still up, just not reachable from the subreddit.
The irony in many of the comments is off the charts. “It’s Jezebel, of course they think this way,” writes Riesea. “Wow,” says actorsspace. “If Jezebel had a sense of humor, I would suspect them of trolling.”
Blueoak9 — what happened to the original eight? — is stunned that even the evil feminists would sink so low:
There are, of course, a few teensy clues that North’s supposed quote about “break[ing] the rule of fathers” is a big fat fake (as are some of the others in that “screenshot”).
One is that nobody at Jezebel writes or thinks like that.
And second, there’s the tiny fact THAT THE REAL ARTICLE IS UP ON JEZEBEL AND IT DOESN’T SAY ANY OF THAT SHIT AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO READ IT FOR FUCK’S SAKE IT’S RIGHT HERE.
In fact, Anna North, the author of the Jezebel article, makes an argument that’s the exact opposite of the one attributed to her in the “screenshot.” Challenging a writer in the London Times who had argued that “the ability to pass a child off on a man was a potent female weapon,” North countered that such a stance was not only morally questionable but also pretty antifeminist:
I’d rather “make male claims to omnipotence absurd” by, say, being economically and politically equal to men — not by making them raise babies that aren’t theirs.
Now, you might wonder why exactly the Men’s Rights crowd on Reddit was reading a screenshot of a Jezebel article and not an actual Jezebel article. Well, that’s because the Men’s Rights subreddit has banned all direct links to Jezebel and other Gawker media sites because the MRAs are still mad about that Violentacrez thing.
Yes, the subreddit that links in its sidebar to a site — A Voice for Men — that not only has offered thousand dollar bounties for the personal information of its feminist enemies but that also carries an open call to firebomb courthouses and police stations in its “activism section” is still pig-biting mad about Gawker’s “doxing” of the man who helped to ruin the lives of countless teenage girls by founding and protecting Reddit’s Jailbait subreddit and dozens of other noxious subreddits.
And so someone was able to use this fact to exploit MRA ignorance and paranoia about feminism and make the inhabitants of the Men’s Rights subreddit look like fools.
Again.
Or some MRA with zero ethics wanted to make feminists look bad and failed utterly. I think this is less likely, but with MRAs, anything is possible.
When you’re done reading the original discussion of the fake article on the Men’s Rights subreddit, you can read the discussion there about how they were trolled. Including the comments from this person who thinks that “even if it’s a troll… so what? It’s still presenting an opinion that many a feminist has held.” Straw feminism is REAL! And this person (with dozens of upvotes) who thinks they should just ban all links to all feminist blogs because, hey, what’s the point in knowing anything at all about something you talk about constantly?
EDIT: Thanks to the AgainstMensRights subreddit, I was able to find the link to the original banned post, and so I’ve put the link (and some comments from the discussion) into the post above.
“Dude, the point is, your biological barriers are bullshit. Men can get vasectomies a fuck of a lot easier than I could get a tubal.”
Really? Not what I’ve noticed in Toronto.
As for tubal ligations, because women have so many contraceptive options available, tubal ligations are much less of a necessity, compared to vasectomies, where it’s either that or the condom.
“You argue like a toddler who got into the whiskey.”
3/10 for creativity. Keep trying please. 🙂
NO. Regulars get to keep score. Trolls do not.
0/10. Did not follow direction.
This has already been debunked. The Titanic was an outlier. Statistically, men have had a better chance of surviving maritime disasters. You can read all about it right on this blog, in fact. David’s already covered the study.
Why do the trolls use the smileys? It’s fucking creepy.
I see you know absolutely fuck-all why a woman would want a tubal over the other forms of BC, again, spoken like a dude with all the privilege in the world to be pig-ignorant.
“Your list of ways men are systematically disadvantaged is areally a list of ways men are systematically advantaged.”
Yes, “advantaged” in the patriarchal definition.
“Oh, and bringing up the Titanic is also a sure sign of troll fail.”
Indeed, because men who don’t want to die are perfectly happy to be forced to die and toss out their lives as if it doesn’t mean anything. The funny thing is I actually said that this double standard is caused by men themselves, yet you are too quick to label me as a troll. Hmmm… maybe you think that the Titanic incident is caused by women? 😉
“Suicides: men are more likely to use methods that work, like guns or hanging. Would you like women to change M.O.s to be all equal and shit?”
What? So you think the best solution to solve the double standard is for women to use M.O.’s to kill themselves? You fucking misogynist!
Can you read? Like, at all?
Do you even know what an M.O. is?
“I see you know absolutely fuck-all why a woman would want a tubal over the other forms of BC, again, spoken like a dude with all the privilege in the world to be pig-ignorant.”
yawwwwwnnnnnnn again you’re resorting to childish attacks as opposed to explaining your reasoning.
No. Advantaged, as in “made full citizens while women are not.” Advantaged as in Benifitting, not being hurt by.
Do you think many men have died because of “women and children first”?
“All men have are the condom,”
How do you live on a planet where being in a consensual, trusting relationship is not an option? My sexual partners and me are PARTNERS, we communicate beforehand whether we intend to procreate or not, and then we, TOGETHER, communicate how to forestall procreation.
I don’t want to sound harsh, but “All men have are the condom” feels a bit like rape logic, where you impose your sexual needs on another person, whether through violence, persuasion, alcohol and whatnot.
I don’t understand you. Surely you’re not advocating rape – but everything else is based on communication. I always thought that all the means of contraception are a big pool of options, and my female partners have the most say in this because options for women are frequently invasive and difficult to use.
Am I wrong?
Why should I waste time educating you? You’ve already proven you can’t comprehend what you read.
” The funny thing is I actually said that this double standard is caused by men themselves, ”
I hope you realize that “the titanic incident” is an isolated incident, it is not a “thing”. It happened two or three times in modern nautical history. You do realize that isolated incidents do not prove prevalent biases, yes?
There is a post on this blog about the Titanic nonsense,
Awww, you need this translated into Politeese before you’ll respond?
Very well.
“My dear chap, don’t you understand that women’s control over their own bodies is constantly under assault from the Right? Don’t you see that in Canada? Is this somehow invisible to you? Dear sir, there are many, nay, a multitude of reasons why women might think that other forms of birth control will be denied them in the future. I know that Canada, your home and native land, is somewhat to the left, but even there, doctors are still petitioning your federal government to cover birth control because in places like the Northwest territories many women fall through the cracks. (linkie)”
Was that polite enough for you?
(asshole!)
No thank you. I don’t want to be “educated” by someone who can only prove their “point” by spewing insults out like a toddler. I guess I should take back what I said about you providing me with reasoning.
“Do you even know what an M.O. is?”
Aw geez, my sincere apologies. I thought for a second you meant that to be equal, you think women should use the same tactics as men (the shooting and hanging)
You should teach me how you learned how to read by just memorizing abbreviations.
No, you exquisite dipshit, I asked if YOU thought women should use the same methods as men to equal.
“When MRAs get all uppity about this paternity stuff it just feels like an insult not only to women (of course), but also to all those kids who have loving, wonderful parents…adopted or foster parents. Sorry for all the parenthesis, jeez I just realized how much I do that!”
Yeah right, it’s “uppity” to care about whether you’ve been lied and decieved.
It’s “uppity” to want to know the truth about the most important relationships in your life.
It’s “uppity” to not want to invest all your time, effort and love in a lie.
But only if you’re a man, of course.
If it’s a woman who is lied to, by e.g. a cheating man, that’s just horrifying, of course.
^more sarcasm.
And there is NO comparison at all between adoption and fostering vs. cuckolding.
None. These things are NOT the same. Not even a little bit.
People who adopt or foster have given fully-informed consent.
Men who are cuckolded cannot give true consent to be a parent, because: they are not fully-informed. They are having the crime of fraud commited against them.
All the femsplaining and man-shaming and whattaboutthechildrennn going on in this thread, is a massive Team Woman smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that Paternity Fraud means a woman has lied, to steal the better part of a man’s effort, love and life from him. It’s a heinous crime.
If men had the biological capability to do this, I guarantee there’d be serious jail time to be served for the crime, but no, only women can commit this crime, so society hand waves it away. Disgusting.
And I mean that asshole thing very seriously. You, a man, are complaining that comparatively, in these areas, women have it easy. Women who have shared things about how very not easy they have it in these areas.
And you are attacking women who are sharing these things.
That is really, really not polite at all. This is personal and real to them. It is theoretical to you.
That is the opposite of polite. Stop acting like hellkell started it. You got personal first, you just acted like you were being polite while sticking the knife in.
Yeah, if it were a thing that happened with any regularity.
…because we live in a matriarchy where women get whatever they want.
Good news about that Plan B thing we’ve been fighting about for forever now, guys! It turns out the power was in us all along!
Oh, wait, no. Still not available.
(rollseyes)
This is getting funnier and funnier to me as the thread goes on.
Howard: WORD and thank you. I love to hear this knob philosophize when yeah, I’ll probably end up with the permanent BC I’ve always wanted after 10-odd years of trying, but only because it looks like my uterus MAY BE TRYING TO KILL ME.
Guys like Breadmold can fuck off forever.
Holy Jeebus
I read most of this thread, with the exception of anything from Brz because he makes no sense. I think everyone’s take down of mouldy’s points have been great. Also Moldy? No one said that men can’t get paternity tests. They can get them and no one is stopping them. As for mandatory ones? Eff that. Paternity testing is an individual decision for individual families to make for themselves. Also wtf are you on about it being harder for men to not have children? What the eff?? Seriously what reality do you live in because I want to go live there. The cf men I know are congratulated for “escaping” nagging wives and parental responsibility while I am accused of “being broken” for my choice to not have children. Do you think it feels fucking NICE to have people accuse you of being “crazy” or accusing my parents of abusing me all because I don’t want kids? Seriously? Have you talked to any women in real life who don’t want children? Have you ever actually listened to the words they say?
You spout veiled MRA points and then get all pissy when it is pointed out to you. Well if it quacks like a duck, it’s probably a damn duck. You may not identify as an MRA (thank the gods) and I think there is hope for you yet, but you have absorbed some shitty ideas that need some rethinking on your part. I suggest maybe going to think about rather than doubling down.
Look, I’m not saying that men ALWAYS have it worse when it comes to contraception. Yes there are social stigmas that exist that keep women from being childless. However, the fewer contraceptive options for men DO play a factor. Maybe a small factor, but a factor nonetheless.
backpedal harder, monkey.
Welp. How, exactly, does it disadvantage men?
Is it difficult for them to access?
Do the options currently available not work for them?
Is spermjacking a big old problem?
…are men subject to widespread disapproval for using the options available to them?