Men’s Rights elder Warren Farrell is fond of mentioning his academic past — he has taught at a number of colleges — and is not exactly shy about mentioning his Ph.D. (Check the covers of his books if you don’t believe me.) But the books he’s written are for the most part polemical “pop psychology” and “pop sociology” rather than academic works, and most don’t meet academic standards by a long shot.
How far they fall short of academic standards I didn’t fully realize until I started investigating a suspicious footnote in The Myth of Male Power.
While reading through the book I found myself having a little trouble believing one of Farrell’s factual claims. To be specific, the claim made on p. 283 that there is a “20:1 ratio at which schoolboys hit schoolgirls.”
That’s right. He’s claiming that schoolgirls hit schoolboys twenty times as often as schoolboys hit schoolgirls.
Farrell doesn’t identify the source of this astounding claim in the text, but he does footnote it. So I turned to the back of the book (p. 414) to find this listed as the source of Farrell’s “data”:
Based on a three-year observation (1989-92) of high school students by Elizabeth Brookins, chair of the Department of Mathematics, El Camino High School, Oceanside, California.
I was as bewildered by this as you no doubt are. He’s not citing a published and/or peer-reviewed study by a social scientist here. He’s citing a “three-year observation” of a high school math teacher? What on earth is a “three-year observation?”
From his footnote, any scholar trying to check his work would have no way to know whether this “data” came from personal observation or from a study, and if it came from a study, what the methodology of this study was, or even why a math teacher would be doing a social scientific study about interpersonal violence using her own students as research subjects.
On a hunch, I looked at the book’s acknowledgements and discovered that Elizabeth Brookins wasn’t simply some random high school math teacher: she was, and perhaps still is, a close friend of Farrell’s, credited as one of the three people who “helped me past the political cowardice that is PC.”
In other words, Farrell pulled these highly unlikely numbers — which suggested high school girls were many, many times more violent towards boys than vice versa, and which conveniently illustrated his point — from a high school math teacher who happened to be a close friend of his. How she got these numbers is not made clear, at least not in The Myth of Male Power.
Happily for all of us, Farrell provided a few more details about Brookins’ “research” in his 1999 book Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say. (Conveniently, this portion of the book has been excerpted online here.) Here’s Farrell’s account of the whole thing:
I asked [Brookins] if she would keep track of the frequency with which the boys and girls hit each other the first time. She agreed, but not one to miss a potential math lesson, she asked one of her classes to “do a survey,” to keep track of all the times the boys and girls initiated a slap or punch of a member of the other sex on the playground or in their classes.
When Liz reported the results, she was a tad embarrassed, “Well, it was almost 20 to 1 when I first started keeping track – mostly girls hitting guys on the arm, occasionally slapping them. But I’m afraid I screwed up the survey. I got so furious at the girls for ‘beginning the cycle of violence,’ as you put it, that I began to do mini-lectures in class, and the girls and guys doing the survey started lecturing the people they were observing, and soon there weren’t nearly as many girls hitting guys…. I contaminated the results!”
This answers one question: The “observation” Farrell referred to wasn’t Brookins’ personal observation but a sort of class project.
But it was hardly a scientific survey, given that it was 1) conducted by an unknown number of high school students completely untrained in social science research, using an unknown protocol and 2) contaminated by the head researcher, also apparently untrained in social science research.
This would all be very amusing, except for two things. First, the fact that Farrell quoted the alleged results of this “research” in The Myth of Male Power without reservation, as if the numbers were from a serious social science survey, not from the class project of a friend of his.
And second, his account in Women Can’t Hear contradicts the information about the “research” given in The Myth of Male Power.
In the earlier book, you may recall, he claims that the ratio of girls hitting boys was 20:1, and that this data came from three years of observation.
In the later book, Brookins says the ratio was 20:1 only at the start, but that she quickly “contaminated” the results and the ratio dropped.
In other words, only if the “contaminated” results were dropped could the ratio could be 20:1. But this would mean that Farrell’s claim in The Myth of Male Power that the study continued for three years would be incorrect.
The study could have continued on for three years only if the “contaminated” data wasn’t dropped — but then the ratio would have been less than the 20:1 ratio that Farrell also claimed in The Myth of Male Power.
So either Farrell was lying about, or sloppily misreporting, the results of his friend’s “study” in The Myth of Male Power — or the account he’s given of the research in Women Can’t Hear is itself untrue.
I guess the real question here is whether or not Farrell’s handing of his friend’s “study” reflects incompetence on his part or deliberate deception. It’s hard to believe that someone who spent as much time in academia as Farrell did in the early years of his career would have so completely forgotten the basic rules of scholarship that he thought he could cite a class project by a high school teacher friend of his as if it were serious research. It’s also rather amazing that he could publish two completely contradictory descriptions of the “findings” of this research in books written only six years apart.
I’d love to hear Farrell’s explanation of all this, but somehow — based on his less-than-forthcoming response to critics in the past — I doubt we’ll ever get a straight answer from him.
It may seem silly to make such a big deal of a footnote. But to serious academics footnotes are sacred; if you can’t trust someone’s citations, you can’t trust anything they write. I followed this particular footnote on a hunch, because the claim Farrell made in the text seemed so utterly unbelievable — only to find that the story got ever more unbelievable with each new twist I discovered. I can only wonder if there are other similarly strange tales to be found elsewhere in Farrell’s footnotes.
Out of control. I am not a scientist, but this actually pisses me off more than anything else you’ve written. I value real data, real studies, real information. That is not what was published. Shameful.
Well, it’s still better than what I initially thought it was from his wording, the “three-year observation.” I thought for sure it was a teacher who taught for three years ranting something along the lines of “You kidding me? Girls are just SO violent. Like, at my school, the girls must hit twenty times more often than the boys.”
Also, does any serious academic take Farrell seriously? Really?
“you’ve written about him.” not what you’ve written. Sorry. I expect the nasty rape apology but this is so transparent. Ugh. Do real studies and deal with the real information.
And absolutely no information on how the survey was done (independent observers? random straw polls? who knows?) so even the 20:1 is utterly worthless.
^ sorry, meant to say that the initial 20:1 is worthless as a starting point.
So… Only violent acts between genders were reported, so boys beating up other boys aren’t included, and relatively minor things like hitting on the arm counted as much as beating someone up? I can’t even tell from the description whether playful hitting between friends counted the same as other types. How could you possibly think this was an accurate measure of violence, even if it were recorded correctly?
What infuriates me is the moral of the story… The teacher, furious that girls hit boys, did mini lectures on not being violent. My hunch is that this amounted to telling girls not to hit boys, rather than telling children not to hit others.
My other hunch is that the teacher did not address bullying within genders, and amounted to telling girls “boys are always told not to hit you, you should be ashamed for taking advantage of this and not hitting back.” I sincerely hope I’m wrong on this one.
Not only untrained in social science; also, undoubtedly, a neutral observer…
@kirbywarp: I doubt you’re wrong, especially since Farrell said she “helped me past the political cowardice that is PC.”
@BabyLawyer: Jinx!
Since this is the Internet, I’ll go buy myself a coke.
Farrell uses assdata? Say it ain’t so. His whole career is a monument to Assfax.
Unfortunately, Warren Farrell still gets invited to state psychological association and other local and regional events to speak, give workshops, and hold forth from his misogynist perspective. What Farrell has never acknowledged, in any academically peer-reviewed way or even through his amateurish observations, is that there is a quantitive and qualitative difference between the impact, meaning and intent of girl’s (or women’s) “violence” (pushing, slapping a hand, punching an arm, etc) and the the use of coercive control, aggression, power, and physical violence and abuse men use to intimidate. threaten, and harm their partners. The impact meaning and intent of men’s use of violence and women’s use of violence are almost never the same. There simply is no equivalency between men’s violence against women and women’s violence against men, irrespective of how hard some men try to claim otherwise.
Wow. That’s… just one, giant, steaming load of crap, ain’t it?
@howard bann1ster
I always play that game with a beer instead of a coke. Have I been doing it wrong? Or have you been doing it wrong…? o.O
[Silence]
… What?
What? hellkell’s already said everything I was going to say. Got nothing. Just Assfax, The Loudly Mentionable, Most Pronouced In Statement Be, Glory To the Prophets “Andhat Itsreel” and “Swear Tugod”, Whom Brought For The Commandments, Thus Brought Peace to the Internet Most Full of Blatant Lies and Vile Citations.
Hmm. I’ll grant I’m a bit surprised at the sloppiness here. Then again I’ve never been a fan of Farrell. AVFM cites Angry Harry as the father of the MRM, not Farrell.
What utter rubbish. I’m confident that my ninth grade science fair project relied on more data than this steaming pile.
Was play “violence” between friends counted as actual violence?
Did anyone keep track of how often girls hit girls, or boys hit boys?
How was the teacher able to know that she wasn’t getting multiple reports of the same situation?
Were names given of the victims/perpetrators so the data could be cross referenced?
In what way was the “data” collected in the first place…ballots, talking about it, giving specific examples, or simply saying “yeah, I saw some girl hit some boy today”.
The whole thing is suspect, but honestly…is anyone here surprised?
PEMRA: I see you are here as if nothing has ever been asked of you elsewhere.
Are you going to renounce Terrorism?
PEMRA: No one cares what you’re surprised by.
…AVFM has a call to terrorism on their activism page.
@BabyLawyer: …I was raised by teetotalers. I think I get to reward for myself for this realization with a beer.
@Pecunium: I’ve answered that question multiple times. You might want to consider going back and reading my previous posts more carefully.
Pecunium, I want you to consider whether you’re a little out of your depth in this discussion.
Wait… what’s this about terrorism now? What thread am I missing out on?
@Pemmy: you answer in the most fundamentally dishonest way. You agree to denounce terrorism, and turn around and continually cite AVFM.
What the hell is wrong with you?
@Kirbywarp: well, the thing is, he says he’s for ‘moderate’ MRAs.
We’re trying to show him how the moderates he cites are hosting incitements to terrorism. But he can’t quite get through that second step.
This is so precious. Just admit you have nothing, it’s better than seeing this fail/flail.