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The Myth of Warren Farrell: Farrell on Rape, Part One

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No book has had more influence over the Men’s Rights movement than Warren Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power. Published in 1993, in the heyday of the early 90s antifeminist backlash, it set the agenda for the Men’s Rights movement as it’s developed over the last two decades.  He’s the one who came up with the notions of “male disposability” and the “death professions.” He’s the one who got MRAs fixated on the issue of draft registration.

Indeed, so pervasive has his influence been that if you see an MRA making a dumb argument anywhere on the Internet, the chances are probably more than 50-50 that it originated in the pages of Farrell’s book. Despite its age, and its eccentricity, The Myth of Male Power is still the first book recommended to MRA newbies in the sidebar of the Men’s Rights subreddit, the most active MRA hangout online.

It’s a book that deserves a lot more attention than I have been giving it on this blog. Sure, I’ve written about Farrell’s strange and creepy notions about incest, as set forth in a notorious interview in Penthouse in the 1970s, and about his recent attempts to explain away these views. But I haven’t devoted any blog posts to his most influential work. I intend to rectify that now, with a series of posts on some of Farrell’s chief arguments and assertions.

I will start with several posts on Farrell’s views on rape, which has been the subject of much controversy of late. This part will deal with his general statements on rape and sexuality; another will explore in more detail his views on date rape (did he really describe it as “exciting?”); and still another will look at the vast assortment of things he has inappropriately compared to rape.

Pinning down what Farrell “really believes” about rape – and indeed, about almost anything– is difficult. Farrell’s arguments, such as they are, are slippery and evasive. Instead of setting forth a clear argument about rape, Farrell instead provides us with a series of jumbled metaphors and strange comparisons. Instead of trying to summarize them – many of them defy summary — let’s just go through them one by one.

Farrell supporters will likely suggest that these quotes are taken “out of context,” to which I can only say: Check his book to see for yourself. None of his troubling quotes are any less troubling, or for that matter any clearer, in context, and many don’t have much of a context. Farrell writes in a rambling, free-associational style, and many of the “arguments” he makes in the following quotes seem to come from out of the blue, and are never developed further (though some, as you will see, are referenced again in later quotes).

Page numbers given are from the 1993 hardcover edition of The Myth of Male Power.

All that out of the way, let’s jump right in:

Near the start of his book , Farrell sets the tone for what will come by suggesting that men suffer as much sexual trauma from women’s mixed signals as women do from rape:

Feminism has taught women to sue men for sexual harassment or date rape when men initiate with the wrong person or with the wrong timing; no one has taught men to sue women for sexual trauma for saying “yes,” then “no,” then “yes.” … Men [are] still expected to initiate, but now, if they [do] it badly, they could go to jail. (p. 16)

Here, he elaborates on the notion that rape is a matter of bad timing, of “tak[ing] risks too quickly.”

In the past, both sexes were anxious about sex and pregnancy. Now the pill minimizes her anxiety and condoms increase his. Now the pimple faced boy must still risk rejection while also overcoming his own fear of herpes and AIDS and reassuring her there is nothing to fear. He must still do the sexual risk-taking, but now he can be put in jail if he takes risks too quickly or be called a wimp if he doesn’t take them quickly enough . (p. 168)

Here, Farrell falls back on the old “rape is misunderstanding” canard, and somehow manages to compare sexual activity –- from kissing up to and including rape — to eating a bag of potato chips.

It is also possible for a woman to go back to a man’s room, tell him she doesn’t want to have intercourse, mean it, start kissing, have intercourse, and then wish she hadn’t in the morning. How? Kissing is like eating potato chips. Before we know it, we’ve gone further than we said we would. (p. 311)

Here, he seems to seriously suggest that juries could do a better job judging rape cases if they were sexually aroused.

The problem with every judgment of sexual behavior is that it is made by people who aren’t being stimulated as they are making the judgment. A jury that sees a woman in a sterile courtroom, asks her what she wanted, and then assumes that anything else she did was the responsibility of the man is insulting not only the woman but the power of sex. (p. 312)

And then he returns to the potato chip metaphor.

A man being sued after a woman has more sex than intended is like Lay’s being sued after someone has more potato chips than intended. In brief, date rape can be a crime, a misunderstanding, or buyer’s remorse. (p. 312)

Farrell repeatedly tries to absolve men of sexual wrongdoing by suggesting that they are literally intoxicated by female beauty.

Sexually, of course, the sexes aren’t equal. It is exactly a woman’s greater sexual power that often makes a man so fearful of being rejected by her that he buys himself drinks to reduce his fear. In essence, her sexual power often leads to him drinking; his sexual power rarely leads to her drinking. If anything is evidence of her power over him, it is his being expected to spend his money to buy her drinks without her reciprocating.  …

It is  men – far more than women – whose mental capacities are diminished when they are “under the influence” of a beautiful woman. (p. 320)

But Farrell thinks it’s “sexist” – against men – to put men in jail for “selling sex” to intoxicated women:

As long as society tells men to be the salespersons of sex, it is sexist for society to put only men in jail if they sell well. We don’t put other salespersons in jail for buying clients drinks and successfully transforming a “no” into a “maybe” into a “yes.” If the client makes a choice to drink too much and the “yes” turns out to be a bad decision, it is the client who gets fired, not the salesperson.  (p. 321)

We’ve only just begun to scratch the surface of Warren Farrell’s equally daft and disturbing views on sex and rape. Stay tuned.

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Nitram
Nitram
11 years ago

Hi Alex,

Just recently, my former boss, who has always been an all around douche, but it never affected me (found him entertaining), started spouting off on fb about the “feminist agenda” making divorced fathers go broke and it’s never enough money for his gold digging exes (2 ex wives, 5 resulting kids), blah blah. I got so mad I just unfriended him. If I saw him on the street, I would be genuinely happy to see him, but I don’t want to hear his idiotic blatherings on Facebook. So my advice to you is to just unfriend. But you may have a higher tolerance for this crap than I do.

Yay for sis breaking up with abusive ex!

Derick
Derick
11 years ago

@archaeoholmes says :@Derick Okay, so your answer is “none”.
You are misusing the word “empirically”.

Kindly look up the word Empirically, then get back at me.

Empirically is something that is verifiable by means of observation. What I said is based on observation.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

Fade, what language(s) do you want to learn? I might have some sources.

SpleenyBaggage
SpleenyBaggage
11 years ago

@Derick:

I’m genuinely curious. What sent you down this path? Was there a particular event, or someone you spoke to? Seriously, I’m trying to figure out how someone gets to this place in their life where they think that half the population is out to get them. Seeing as you’ve made it your goal to educate, please… educate me. Just on this point though – don’t see it as an invitation to outline your whole manifesto (I’ve actually got work to do this afternoon).

Fade
11 years ago

@Canuck with pluck

I am so envious, today I had the opposite problem. But I do have some real intense restlessness and twitchiness when my depression is fluctuating and I have to move to calm myself down, so it may be a depression thingie? Idk. I want to make it very, very clear that I am not a doctor.

serrana
serrana
11 years ago

Has anyone here self-taught themselves a language? I am not in the position to afford classes by a teacher and am curious about advice…

No, but I’ve taught myself all kinds of things, and I think it can be done. The most important thing when learning anything is practice, so maybe learn with someone else and agree to spend a certain number of hours a week or month speaking the language with them? I remember when my dad was learning Spanish when I was a kid, and he’d just speak Spanish to us whenever he could. It was pretty hilarious, and he learned it pretty well. (He spoke French, German, and Latin though so he picked up the Spanish really easily.)

I want to learn French. I really only need tourist French. I just need to get started sometime…

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Derick: fuck off.

katz
11 years ago

Ermagerd actual data

(That one isn’t a gif, it’s…actual data)

archaeoholmes
11 years ago

@Derick I am just now wondering whether “empirical” applies when you are observing things that aren’t really there.

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
11 years ago

@Serrana: I know a girl in Germany who taught herself German. She is from Slovakia. We were both au-pairs. Now, she had the benefit of actually living there, but….

Derick
Derick
11 years ago

@Catwoman

Ok, then I propose this.

You name ANY current show or Movie (Of course, sans hand-picking conveniently) that comes to your mind, and I’ll name the manner in which the Females are exalted in the same.

Deal?

Kittehserf
11 years ago

So…am I the only one who feels weird if I pick my nose or fart while using the computer because I feel like the guy on my background is judging me?

Oh shit, I hope he isn’t.

::looks worriedly behind screen to see if a miniature Mr K is hiding there::

Fade
11 years ago

Spanish and English.
(Some German)

What kind of advice are you thinking of?

Basically have you got any drills that can help you make conversation? Or work in your head sentences in… co

let me start over.

Okay, like any drills that can help you speed up your talking/ recollection of words so you could actually conversate. Right now I have a decent sized vocabulary, but I am looking for excersizes that could stimulate conversation, but you know, without needing anyone to talk to.

Empirically is something that is verifiable by means of observation. What I said is based on observation.

Got anyone except yourself and your confirmation bias goggles who’s observed this?

Fade, what language(s) do you want to learn? I might have some sources.

I am trying to teach myself greek*, though if you got any resources for japanese that’d be handy cuz my sister has expressed intrest in that and I could send her the links.

*language of my foreparents. XD

katz
11 years ago

You name ANY current show or Movie (Of course, sans hand-picking conveniently) that comes to your mind, and I’ll name the manner in which the Females are exalted in the same.

Deal?

Twelve Angry Men.

Fibinachi
11 years ago

@Derick:

Lesbian Vampire Hunters.

Go.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

Fade, I’m afraid I have no sources for Greek, but this is a fabulous site for learning Japanese.

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 years ago

Is Derick saying random shit just to get a rise out of us? He’s just so… obvious. Women who are scientists on a show centred around men who are scientists is misandry? That feels like bait, is what that feels like.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Maybe if we refuse to play with derricks massively derailing self, he’ll go away.

Fade
11 years ago

I remember when my dad was learning Spanish when I was a kid, and he’d just speak Spanish to us whenever he could. It was pretty hilarious, and he learned it pretty well.

Lol, could you guys speak it? Or was this like a one-sided thingie.

Sometimes I say random stuff in greek to my family, but then my sisters like “Omg, you’re trying to confuse me XD*”

*she’s decent at spanish, but if we’re doing spanish and I say something in greek she’ll think I just used a work she didn’t know or was talking to fast for her to understand.

@Derrick

I name Goldfinger (james bond)

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Nope, never said you shouldn’t analyze pop culture. I used to do it for a living. Sometimes people writing the scripts are projecting their own biases into characters and plots. Sometimes real life sexists use pop culture to reinforce their notions of reality.

Troll:
“Arrogation- Women taking undeserved credit for Men’s work – Zero Dark thirty”

Wow. Do you mean the director, Kathryn Bigelow didn’t actually direct the film? Or the female operatives who analyzed the operation in real life didn’t really exist?

“Glorification – Women being aggrandized – Big bang theory(Female scientists), Simpsons (Lisa Simpson- Female child Genius) Burn Notice – Fiona Glenanne (Kicks Every Man’s ass)”

So, whenever a woman does something cool on TV, it’s misandry? OK. Check. *eyeroll* I hope you’re a preteen, man.

“Denigration (Of men) – 2 Broke girls, Mad Men”

Sometime depicting men behaving badly is misandry?

“If I go into details and start naming everything, trust me, I would take days ”

Uh-huh.

“Women Propaganda is EVERYWHERE. Women are deified, Men are belittled, and at the same time, the audience is subconsciously indoctrinated.”

I dunno, I see a lot of women being murdered brutally on “The Killing,” “The Following,” and “Hannibal.” Not too mention raped (Bate Hotel), and exploited (Game of Thrones).

katz
11 years ago

K I gotta go pick up Doad, but please pulp the troll thoroughly for me. I leave you with my quantitative analysis of gender in films of the 2000s and this gif in case you need them.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Derrick: Full Metal Jacket. Go.

Sorry, shouldn’t feed it, but this I gotta see.

Catwoman
Catwoman
11 years ago

sure Derick.

I just watched Olympus has fallen. my favorite movies are burn after reading and hangoverAnd my favorite current shows are breaking bad, curb your enthusiasm, its always sunny in Philadelphia, south park. i am all curious

Kittehserf
11 years ago

I am trying to be polite. Kindly try to reciprocate. If that is too difficult, at least try not be profane

I’m totally calling sock on this one. Heard this too often.

I was thinking Mr 90% but “females” has me thinking Pell.

Hey moron, want to tell me how the women in Lillyhammer (all two of the supporting cast) are glorified over the men who take up almost all the screen time?

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

>>>Feminists practically own the American Media.

Rupert Murdoch is a feminist?

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