So some Men’s Rightsers are up in arms because the powers that be at Wikipedia just deleted a page devoted to a phony “logical fallacy” invented by a friend of Paul Elam. According to the now-deleted Wikipedia page, “the apex fallacy refers to judging groups primarily by the success or failure at those at the top rungs (the apex, such as the 1%) of society, rather than collective success of a group.”
In other words, it’s a convenient way for MRAs to hand-wave away any evidence that men, collectively, have more power than women. Mention that men hold the overwhelming majority of powerful positions in the worlds of politics and business, and, I don’t know, podiatry, and MRAs will shout “apex fallacy” and do a little victory dance. Rich and powerful dudes don’t count, because of poor and powerless dudes!
On the Wikipedia discussion page devoted to the question of deleting the apex fallacy entry, one Wikipedia editor – who voted “strong delete” – noted that
This is men’s rights activist astroturfing. The guy above [in the discussion] isn’t posting examples of its usage because they’re all on websites showcasing brutal misogyny and hateful ignorance, like A Voice for Men.
He’s got a point. When I did a Google search for the term, my top ten results (which may be different than your top ten results, because that’s how Google works) included posts on The Spearhead; The Men’s Rights subreddit; Genderratic (TyphonBlue’s blog); Emma the Emo’s Emo Musings; and a tweet from the little-followed Twitter account of someone calling himself Astrokid MHRA. In other words, five of the ten results were MRA sites, several of them with explicit links to A Voice for Men. (That “MHRA” is a dead giveaway.)
The top result, meanwhile, linked to a post on the blog of the delightful Stonerwithaboner, who doesn’t consider himself an MRA, as far as I know. But he’s still kind of a shit, and he did recently confess to being (as I suspected) the person who was going around posting comments on manosphere sites as David H. F*cktrelle, Male Feminist Extraordinaire ™.
So, in other words , I think it’s fair to say that the term “apex fallacy” has not yet achieved academic or philosophical respectability just yet.
The deleted Wikipedia page attributes the term “apex fallacy” to Helen Smith, a psychologist who is a longtime friend to A Voice for Men, and dates it to an interview Smith gave to the odious Bernard Chapin in 2008.
But the idea seems to be a simple reworking of a bad idea that’s been floating around in Men’s Rights circles for a lot longer than that.
Back in the 1990s, New Zealand Men’s Rights Activist Peter Zohrab came up with what he called the “Frontman Fallacy,” a notion he spread via the alt.mens-rights newsgroup on Usenet and elsewhere; the term has been widely adopted in Men’s Rights circles since then. As Zohrab defined the term,
the Frontman Fallacy is the mistaken belief that people (men, specifically) who are in positions of authority in democratic systems use their power mainly to benefit the categories of people (the category of “men”, in particular) that they belong to themselves.
So, in other words, if you mention that men hold the overwhelming majority of powerful positions in the worlds of politics, business, and podiatry, MRAs will shout out “frontman fallacy” and do a little victory dance. Rich and powerful dudes don’t count, because of poor and powerless dudes!
Like the extremely similar “apex fallacy,” this idea is rather too silly and facile to count as a real fallacy, but it has proven quite popular with MRAs. Looking through the google search results for “frontman fallacy,” I see links to a wide assortment of MRA sites using the term, including AVFM, Genderratic, Stand Your Ground, Backlash.com, Toysoldier, Mensactivism.org, Pro-Male Anti-Feminist Tech, Fathersmanifesto.net, Mensaid.com, and some others. Like “apex fallacy” it hasn’t made much progress outside the Men’s Rights movement.
What’s interesting about this to me is that this is not the only bad idea that Peter Zohrab has ever had.
Indeed, Zohrab had some extremely bad ideas about Marc Lepine, the woman-hating antifeminist who murdered 14 women at the École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989.
While Zohrab, to my knowledge, never explicitly justified Lepine’s killings, he described the massacre in one notorious internet posting as an “Extremist Protest Against Media Censorship.” Of Lepine himself, he wrote
I bet you don’t know he wasn’t a misogynist – because you have been conned by the media (as usual). In fact, he was a Men’s Rights activist (albeit an extremist one), and one of the things he was protesting about was media censorship.
Zohrab went on to say that it was clear from Lepine’s writings – or at least writing alleged to have been written by him — that
he [was] against Feminists — not against women — he clearly states that he is protesting against various issues which are aspects of Feminist sexism.
Indeed, Zohrab seems not only sympathetic towards Lepine’s “cause” but seems to feel that he was being unfairly misrepresented:
The write-ups on Marc Lepine concentrate on character-assassination. They take things out of context, in the same way that fathers are slandered in the divorce/family court, in order to deprive them of custody or access. …
Marc Lepine was not only not sexist, as the media stated – he was actually fighting sexism!
Lots of MRAs love talking about the “frontman fallacy” or the new and improved “apex fallacy.” They don’t seem much interested in talking about Zohrab himself.
Like it or not, MRAs, this man is one of the leading figures in the emergence of the Men’s Rights movement online, and in the intellectual history of the movement, such as it is.
If I were a bit more paranoid, I might wonder if the emergence of the “apex fallacy” was some sort of an attempt as a rebranding, an attempt to push the “frontman fallacy” and its creator, the old, odd duck Peter Zohrab, with his embarrassingly sympathetic feelings toward a mass murderer of women, down that famous memory hole.
P.S. Don’t read the comments to that MensActivism.org posting, unless you want to get really depressed.
I guess it’s a good thing that no one here ever said male privilege is the only kind of privilege there is.
Having trouble sleeping with all the noise females are making. If only they’d tone down that woman racket!
So that noise in my garden are actually crackets?
Many feminists acknowledge this by stating that class is a separate axis of privilege alongside gender, race, orientation, disability, etc.
Examples: mainstream intersectional feminists, womanists, Marxist feminists, and anarcha-feminists.
You haven’t “read it all before” if you are ignorant of such a massive part of feminist theory.
(Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply there that womanists are feminists.)
It would be fun to introduce the anti-feminists who think that feminism is a subcategory of Marxism (and therefore evil because communists are scary) to the anti-feminists who think that feminism doesn’t realize that class exists. We could have a cage match! And sell tickets!
I use the male racket that I stole from a man on the street (I cried to distract him, then ran off with it) to plan temanis.
I’m dying to see this.
Toy Soldier vs. Dante D’Anthony! Begin!
(And yes, TS really does believe that feminism is connected to Marxism.)
I also play maniature golf. It involves hitting a lot of balls.
It’s so amusing when anti-feminist folks talk about class as the “only” axis of oppression. A meaningful analysis of class is impossible without any consideration of gender. It’s also impossible without the considerations of race, orientation, and disability, which play a very important rule in the maintenance of capitalism.
You don’t even want to know how we play basketball in the Marxist feminist utopia.
MRA nightmare: a young man is trapped in a mini golf course run by a matriarchal bureaucracy of penguins and cats wearing pants. He goes to pay for his entry only to find that the counter is made of granite. And then he has to survive the horror of single moms wearing jeans and resurrected second-wave radical feminists striving to pickpocket him at every opportunity.
::mops tea off monitor::
There’s nothing at the snack bar but bonbons and flavored bottled water.
Is the upkeep of the maniature golf course funded by the sale of Party Lights scented candles?
I always get so pissed off at pretentious leftist guys who have just discovered class theory and treat it like the one-size-fits-all solution to all social wrongs. Personally, I’ve always felt social equality on a class level cannot be reached before other biases in society have been removed. As long as we have sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. there will always be entitled straight white able-bodied cis men pissing their privilege all over the place, making class equality impossible. And they’ll still be too busy blaming other groups for not having enough interest in “real issues” (a.k.a. issues affecting straight white cis men).
To me, this latest troll’s ignoramble sounds like: “Whaaaaat? A woman can in some shape or form be in a socially superior position to a man? This will not stand! Viva la revolution! Power to the people! And by people, I mean real people, not women! Arglebargle!”
And let’s not even get started on the so-called anarcho-capitalists. Blerrrggghh.
I’m going to go marinate my brains in alcohol now. Ta-ta!
i used to play manicure golf, but it played merry hell with my cuticles.
“i used to play manicure golf, but it played merry hell with my cuticles.”
*falls out of chair laughing*
1) I’m a feminist who both grew up poor and has been poor in adulthood. I’m a worker, always have been, and have literally only spent a few months of my working life in a position where I could be said to have people working “for” me. I’m not as well versed on class theory as some people here, but then again, I’ve lived a lot of it, so please don’t ‘splain it to me.
2) If you’ve “read it all before”, why the fuck are you whining about the caption on a picture when it’s got fuck-all to do with the actual topic of the article? In fact, what are your thoughts on the so-called “apex fallacy”?
And when he tries to hide in the men’s room, he finds it decked out with matching towel sets and scented fucking candles.
Right? Until we deal with things like trans housing discrimination, or racial employment discrimination, or the impact of health care costs on people with disabilities, or the ghettoization of “women’s work” (to name just a few of the ways oppressed status can affect one’s access to wealth), the class problem isn’t going to go away. Indeed, discrimination is the foundation it rests on.
But but but…
Classism is the worstest because it’s the only ‘ism that effects white, straight, cis men.
Everybody stop what you are doing and worry about the plight of the straight, white, cis dudes!
Ha, ha. No.
Classism is another thing the misters only pretend to care about when it’s a convenient gotcha. When they complain about the high incarceration rates of men they act like it’s a government conspiracy to lock lots of men up. But it’s not misandry at work. It’s classism and racism. Classism is only a concern when they are comparing a wealthy woman to a poor white cis hetero man.
OMG, that’s the most hilarious thing I’ve read all week. I want an illustration of that.
Thank you necrotroll for showing up to be laughed at so, so beautifully.
@Anarchonist
What do you mean? Of course they’re anarchists. They’re just anarchists who favor class stratification by virtue of their support for private property and think that corporations should be allowed to hire private defense agencies that totally will never be abused and utilized as private mobs that function exactly like the police and –
Oops.
How do the people who blame everything on class think the women and minorities got to be poorer in the first place?